A 10 million population would be akin to courting our own deaths

I refer to Heng Swee Keat’s call for Singaporeans to be “open to foreigners” as he cited former chief planner Liu Thai Ker’s view that Singapore should plan for a 10 million population. I beg to differ.

To grow the economy by simply importing more foreigners is not difficult. Almost all governments can do that and not just the PAP government. But there are very serious trade-offs for our country if we pursue that policy. Already, Singapore is the world’s third most densely populated country with about 18,500 people per square mile. Unlike many other densely populated cities, we do not have natural countryside that people can retreat to.

With an even larger influx of foreigners, many aspects of our quality of life must be compromised. There must be even keener competition for jobs than it is now. With an easy and larger supply of foreign manpower, many local salaries must be further squeezed and stagnate. Stress levels among our citizens, both the young and old, must inevitably go up.

Goh Chok Tong’s kinder and a more gentle society rhetoric will certainly become a distant pipe dream. Crime rates must also climb and not to mention, schools, hospitals, transportation etc must all be stretched.

As it is now, it is not uncommon that many appointments at public hospitals can take up to months. The thought that our boys who train in NS and some may even perish to protect foreigners who come more to take than to give in our country must suck even bigger time.

And last but not least, when foreigners, permanent residents and new citizens become old, they will greatly compound our own severe aging problems.

PAP ministers do not get bullied by foreigners in Singapore but many citizens can attest to the fact that we are seeing a growing numbers of foreigners bullying the more vulnerable members of our society, especially at the workplaces. Openly official welcome and endorsement of their presence will only enbolden such attitudes and behaviours.

I like to watch wildlife documentaries and I know that hyenas, if in large enough numbers, bully lions even. What more about foreigners?

Among the people who welcome more foreigners will be property owners, developers and the government because foreigners support property prices and not forgetting PAP ministers will also be among the first to laugh all the way to the banks because their annual bonuses are tied to GDP growth but growth at all cost has a very severe downside and a heavy price for our citizens to pay.

This incompetent PAP government is at its wits end to grow our economy but if they allow greed to blind them and choose short term fixes and gratifications over long term considerations and swallow more than our country can digest, we are simply courting our own demise.

 

Simon Lim

 

 

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61 Responses to “A 10 million population would be akin to courting our own deaths”

  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    after that short-circuit in his Brains, it is TOTALLY Useless NOW…what in Blazes is a Useless piece of Brain as a Minister and Leeching on the People doing in Cabinet…

    The Cabinet is a Bunch of Jokers if they cannot see through this Comic Performance…

    Thaman, even Chan Chun Sing(coming from the humble background)…as Patriots can you NOT see the road we are heading to… NOT that you two are IDIOTS too???..whatever the negatives about CCS he is definitely a son-of-soil

    For F…SAKE man do something leh!!!…

    If both of you DARE!!! the Patriots/Nationalists will cover your BACKs!!!

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  • Mai Kow U-70%:

    A 6.9M population in a 720 sq km land already sounded scary. 10M is really ridiculous!

    They’re gonna dig more underground to fulfil their ‘dream’. In future, the rich will be living on the top while the poor will live below the ground.

    70% in the last GE voted for this govt to become greedier and bolder by the day. Let’s see how many will be digging their own homes or rather digging their own graves in the coming GE.

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  • Opposition dude:

    Ha ha when stroke man says we need to welcome more non Singaporeans he means what he says.

    Forget the nonsense they sprouted about the population being significantly lower than 7 million in 2030 not so long ago. If he can cite the 10 million number then you can be assured it will be carried out full speed ahead. And as long as these turkeys have the majority in parliament they will just continue doing things their way

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  • Huat ah:

    Locals can just retire at the age of 30 years old since FTS taking over most of the jobs.

    There will not be enough jobs to go round. Good news not fake news.

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  • nice experiment:

    now the goal pole (narrative) has slowly shifted – from 6.9m to 10m similarly from withdrawal age of 65 to 70.

    once the daft frogs (aka daft sinkies) have adapted to a higher temperature, then the next step is to turn it even higher – ‘nice’ experiment for the white idiots to conduct and watch as anyway they do not feel (the heat and pain) just like the daft frogs right ?

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  • oxygen:

    STUPID ECONOMICS from fantasyland dreamer. Even Australia with continental size geography, abundance of natural resources and a strong diversified economy finds it UNSUSTAINABLE.

    High immigration is hiding the economy’s long-running weakness

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/high-immigration-is-hiding-the-economy-s-long-running-weakness-20190329-p518vg.html

    In LEE-jiapore, it has ALREADY FAILED at current levels. Present Tense told the nation that healthcare costs ESCALATION is RUNNING AHEAD OF GDP GROWTH RATE.

    THAT MEANS HIGHER POPULATION BASE IS NOT GENERATING ENOUGH INCOME/TAXES TO FUND RUNAWAY HEALTHCARE COSTS.

    what about MRT, education, social services??

    POPULATION RECYCLING ECONOMICS ONLY ADD TO COSTS OF LIVING ESCALATION – A STUPID PIG SMELLING ITS OWNS STINKING A*SEHOLE!

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  • oxygen:

    PAPpy can’t even manage a national energy agenda – HYFLUX COLLAPSE proves that.

    And still want a bigger population with uncertain and insecure energy supply to keep the economic wheels running?

    Where are the jobs to provide the pay to fund heavenly high mortgage and healthcare costs?

    STUPID ECONOMIC OF ARCHITECTURAL HEIGHT FICTION.

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  • Boh Kia See:

    I am not sure if the former chief planner said that Singapore should plan for 10m people or that Singapore can sustain 10m people.

    In any case, you get a politician citing the views of an unelected private person as gospel that should be followed. So much for leadership and this is supposed to be a 4G leader too. Give me back the 1G leadership anytime–those without degrees but with the interest of the country at heart.

    The PAP is floundering and does not have any new ideas about taking Singapore forward. So voting for the PAP is really suicide for the citizens and their family. It is already evident from all the talk these 4G “leaders” are spewing out that Singapore is doomed with them around.

    Their time is up and they should leave the scene with some dignity or be voted out.

    VTO—for a better Singapore for Singaporeans.

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  • Bobo:

    When 70% do not know how to free themselves, who could free them? Living in denial is it mean more happy for themselves and for Singapore?

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  • PAP Root of All Evils:

    Any evil idiot can come up with growth in economy through massive influx of foreigners, overcrowding, huge increase in eat and shit already can create growth.

    We don’t need to pay millions to ministars for such strategy and the problems that come with it. They milked the money while dafts go through the deep pain.

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  • You Die Your Own Business:

    Woody is having his Swiss standard now, having fun in Japan recently.
    Worry free retirement, money milking dormant job title, no need to answer for all the problems he created, kicked the ball to his dishonorable buddy.

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    when LEEders LEEad a pack of Hyenas…even a Pride of Lions will fall…what more a LEEder who can even TURN upon his OWN!!!

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  • Fark off if you're not happy:

    Last time, I complained to my school principal about some disrespect staff. Her response was:”did you tell them off?”

    S’poreans need to tell off foreigners who are anti social, who have no respect for locals. Just tell them to fiack off back to their own slum country.

    That ABC bargain store at Clementi Central got staff (both local and foreign) with the worst attitude. Just tell them off. They can go suck cock if they are not happy.

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  • undergroundCitiesNext:

    Thank you Mr Simon Lim.
    you expressed in words exactly what most of us feel.
    even now we feel the crunch every where we go..
    just to mention SGporens are already the most stressed out people in the world…(acc to a survey).
    how not to be?

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  • MarBowling:

    Soon we can NO LOONGER call our country the Lion City. Based on ex-Indian Chief Planner Lewd Tiger’$ VIEW that we should have a 10 million population, True Blue Singaporean cum Lion and Lioness who constitute about 30% of the total population will be in due course OVERWHELMED and DILUTED by the 70% SHEEP(DAFTS including SPR, newly minted citizen). By then, we should call our beloved country the SHEEP City!

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  • VTO or we suffer:

    Like what they like to do to Oppo, the People should unite to single them out by numbers in Parliament beginning with all the heads/leaders, so that this nonsense be stopped immediately before we all sink to our death.

    We do not have the job market for 10 million population. Currently they can’t even solve the problem at hand. Foreigners create jobs has proven to be just a piece of lie or bullshit.

    Is there such a big hole created by holyjinx to be patched that selling power stations aren’t enough to patch it up or the only solution they have for revenue and growth are collecting taxes and selling marked up HDBs to these 10 million people, regardless if own citizens are put to hunger.? If such is the math, then progressively 10 million won’t be enough for them. Do I truth their planning? F**XXing NOT!

    With that said, is my opinion that those in finance / accounting are not suitable to run the country as in their minds are only immediate numbers and gains.

    Sorry they have to go. They are a bunch of incapable lots after the old man.

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  • Great Asia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRaxXHKEiyc

    We don’t have this, and we are building more concrete ones.

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Fake talents = Fake news?:

    I m sure it doesn’t need much IQ to understand that if foreigners population in any country exceeds or equal to citizen population, nation security n national service r grossly compromised n the political leadership becomes an international joke. Any claim of political talent in the nation is fake news since they fail to realize that at such ratio, any talk of national securities n nation service is just moronic n information claiming otherwise is tentative to fake news n these should be addressed speedily by the Constitutionally guaranteed independence of the public institutions from political power before the legality on fake news can be justified n imposed. Singapore gains the top world position in the number of court cases involving political leaders suing opposition politicians n prosaic citizen adversary critics for libel n the almost perfect win by the leaders. This has been attributed to Increasing lack of transparency n accountability of the political leaders leaving the public esp those prosaically critics with no choice but to speculate what could have happened that the leadership preferred secrecy over transparency. What is more frustrating to the citizenry is that they r left none the wiser after every court verdict on each of the libel suits n remain just as ignorant before n after the verdicts. Bootlicking intensifies n MPs instead of being critically vocal in Parliaments preferred to parrot whatever their leaders n benefactors threw out. The family feud over their dead father home leading to the allegation of bureaucratic compliancy n dynasty ambition which were not legally contested which is publicly perceived that the siblings have airtight criminating evidence supporting their allegation n the probability of some bootlickers loyal to the papal regime remains.
    Senior citizens would be well aware that whenever PAP feels threatened that it is loosing the trust n support of the citizenry n that red carrots r repeatedly thrown out to appease n to regain the support n if thse fail as now, fear propaganda invariably are their tactics to lure the citizenry to believe without them the nation would disappear. This is compunded by legal measures which r just a matter of raising them in Parliament n they r thru as in the present case of fake news which literally means any news adverse to the regime.
    A nation with no critical thinking thus voice is a dead nation. So Singaporeans, think n not be distracted by the transient goodies which u will pay dearly when the purpose of goodies r achieved. Say to PAP, we r not daft n we need no govt to insult n belittles us with their arrogance, greed n aggressiveness. We r not so daft to elect a govt to betray us n serve themselves n the aliens..

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  • The No.1 Great Liar:

    So the 6.8 million planning parameter is another big lie again, exposed just barely after three years when crooks were defending vehemently then it was not.
    Trust them you die faster.

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  • LIONS:

    10 million ppl?
    So,who are going to make new babies?
    Guess DIRECT *FOREIGN INVESTMENT* IS THE ONLY WAY???!

    DUMP MORE FAKE FTs,their wives n kids n the kids’ grannies n grandpas together with their doggies here.

    This will be done more OBVIOYSLEE IF LEE AH LONG WINS MORE VOTE$.

    SO,VOTE HIM IF YOU LOVE TO SUCK LOLLIES BUT PREPARE TO LOSE YOUR JOBS TOO.

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  • Singapore Fooled Again N Again:

    Every weekday morning when I go pass either Dunearn Road or by AYE the roads are jammed packed not because there’s an accident but because of over congestion based on our current 5.8m population. And when there’s the occasional accident, traffic come to a gridlock and slow crawling.

    What happen when we add another 1 to 2 million more? I can’t imagine what we have to go through when we have 10 million population

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  • no where else to run..:

    the rich can always emigrate to escape.. the rest will suffer and die..fasterer with all the push and shove stresses!

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  • the next piece of crumb:

    every population size will have its own equilibrium – be it economic or whatnot (total absolute positive value vs externalities) and how these value / externalities are going to be distributed (fairly or unfairly) among those who managed to succeed / those who did not make it due to policies.

    no country can keep on growing its gdp (consumption) – a lot of it is just inflationary effect (just repackaged as improvement, perhaps small real increment relative to price effect) after it has reached a mature stage. the reason why we keep paying more (taxes or fees ?) for the white idiots to plow back into the system to stimulate the economy (build more white mega white elephants or some useless wasteful grants which favor certain sectors ?)

    but good land space (not only the physical aspect) is limited (e.g high price to convert desert to livable condition) and once congested to a point, the quality of life deteriorates (e.g caged animals vs free range animals). similarly when a country is packed like being caged, restrictions have to erected to control conflicts / tension and people will have to move like robots.

    now ask the white monkey idiots and gang, how is that good if we have a population of 10 million (well, perhaps many daft sinkies will eventually adapt to an environment fit for unthinking zombies (perhaps too tired to think in a tight congested competitive place as most people have to fight for the next piece of crumb in order to survive).

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  • oxygen:

    @ VTO or we suffer

    OI OI OI, YOU ARE STANDING TOO CLOSE TO THE TREE TRUNK, you can’t see the forest.

    It is those with accounting/finance capacity who can see through the skullduggery, lies, deception, fantasy and propaganda of PAPpypolitics and PAPpynomics and expose them to “Ah Sengs”

    VTO or we suffer: With that said, is my opinion that those in finance / accounting are not suitable to run the country as in their minds are only immediate numbers and gains.

    but I agree with this one – ABSOLUTELY!!!

    VTO or we suffer: We do not have the job market for 10 million population. Currently they can’t even solve the problem at hand. Foreigners create jobs has proven to be just a piece of lie or bullshit.

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  • Not suitable:

    In Panorama View of the entire country including the woods and the forests, You can counter numbers with numbers, plots with plots as you like but just “DON’T RUN THE COUNTRY”.

    oxygen:
    @ VTO or we suffer

    OI OI OI, YOU ARE STANDING TOO CLOSE TO THE TREE TRUNK, you can’t see the forest.

    It is those with accounting/finance capacity who can see through the skullduggery, lies, deception, fantasy and propaganda of PAPpypolitics and PAPpynomics and expose them to “Ah Sengs”

    but I agree with this one – ABSOLUTELY!!!

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  • I told u 10million is coming:

    Guys i told so many people dont belive i give up as a singaporean i think migrate is the way out

    Singaporean no job no freedom now foreginers going to be everywhere even below ur void deck u can’t sleep in peace no house no money no wife no gf no cpf molest and rape case going to be high thanks to bangala even they coming in ceca is not the only threat we got 30 over+ nationality in singapore no job no cars some parents even commit suicide or overwork i hate singaporeans for voting pap and lee con you liar now our freedom and personal life they taking away no everything also dont have 10 million is coming cant even destress by then.keep increasing till we die then elite enjoy

    I name all the bad points as one of the worst national thanks to lee con you

    Now think twice let me list for you

    1.Jobless
    2.single no wife no money to even date
    3.living with parents no choice no money
    4.no money to buy cars & house
    5.rapist robbery murderer druggers protester
    6. Law dont protect you no citizen life police against us
    7. Govt pap stealing from us citizen
    8.no more freedom they can access to your personal life and info track u
    9.obey them worst than a communist lee con you family
    10.they steal your organ when you half dead to sell to rich
    11.you live in fear without any protection
    12.you lost your freedom as foreginers will be everywhere even at your hdb void deck when you sleeping at night or at street
    13.they protect elite and give them benefit
    14.no cpf will be return till you died even at 100+ year old if u can stay alive
    15.malaysia will destory singapore
    16.depression/stress
    17.wife leave you no money got debt
    18.you dont know what are you working for no purposes in life no future slaving for govt
    19.hospital full due to sickness outbreak too many population
    20.ft/foreginers got money can steal your girls
    21.you feel angry but helpless even want to kill the govt with ur hands i dont even want to be here at this stage i imagine having this fears since 2007 the influx came in lee con you lie to us since 1959
    He cheated all of us even lim ching siong helping us then came ong teng cheong but he is now gone jbj and his son now tan cheng bock and his team pls vote for him get rid of the traitors of singapore if not singapore is long gone bye bye end of singapore

    You know who the basturd muar malaysian that propose this 10million he is ex malaysia liu thar ker

    I have end my story still got more to said i cant rest forever since theres more to come i didnt type doesnt mean dont have

    To be continued

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  • rukidding:

    Must increase foreigner to “maintain” his obscene salary.

    Bo pian,.. 70% just don’t care and just want to fucked up the whole cuntry for their own benefits!

    Hate speech ???…no lah !

    But “MUST” find a way to “TEACH” all these “bastards” a “BIG LESSON” !

    HOW ???

    Maybe a “lone wolf” can “provide” the answer ???

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  • 69% of sgs are 100% daft:

    the 69% gave them the keys to the cpf & bank accounts of us citizens, to rob us in broad daylight.
    uniquely sg!
    and the other 30% have to suffer along unwillingly!
    %$#@!!

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  • Boot Traitorous politicians:

    In any nation, traitors or citizens self gratified by working in the interests of the foreigners to disadvantage fellow citizens n trade in the nation r intolerable n severely punished from the masses or by the the judiciary even if the offender is politburo members provided the constitutionally protected judiciary values r respected n staunchly guarded by the judicial officers themselves. It was nerve wrecking when no action was taken against a politburo member when he threatened citizenry that he has no problem in importing more foreigners to displace the citizens from their jobs if they r unhappy with the policies; when another advocates that citizens wanting jobs should steal them from the foreigners but they must be hungrier, greedier n more aggressive than the foreigners themselves which implies in no uncertain terms that the foreigners the Govt imports have such socially unacceptable attributes in any society which values harmony n peace which would definitely destroy by import of greedy compounded with aggressive behaviour n now Heng is planning for a 10 millions population n how he is planning to achieve the number with low birth rate of the citizenry is obvious which would mean raising the ratio of foreigners/ citizens to more than 3 to 1 or for every citizen there will be 3 foreigners n based on the rampant import of hungry, greedy n aggressive foreigners of the past resulting in taxis drivers bashing, barbaric behaviour against Singapore multiracial traditional food n open belittling of public commuters n worse imitative behaviour by a high poliburo members on patronage of Food Centres in food centres to flaunt his political billions.
    With a foreigners/citizen ratio greater than 3, national security n national service r meaningless n tentative to surrendering the nation openhanded. If this is not traitorous what is? All the struggles of the previous generation r wasted n pioneer n merdeka generations r not honour but wayanging acts of betrayal.
    Singaporeans who treasure their little island paradise should really start thinking hard n really be aware what is real n what really r fake n wayanging when they go to the next poll to elect a govt which consists of hardcore patroits n not self serving traitors.
    It is alarming to see poster in buses warning of molestimg acts on the bus which was unheard of in Singapore until now just as taxi driver n pedestrain bashers, increase crime rates n talks of racial issues n fears. To advocate dropouts n not aiming for university degrees r the ultimate warning of the decline of governance efficacy n lacks of aptitude of nation building. To save the nation n to return to the much valued by old S’poreans of harmonious multiracial society built on peace love,kindness n graciousness not greed n…

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  • oxygen:

    @ Not Suitable,

    AAAARRGH, YOU MUST BE VISUALLY OR COGNITIVELY IMPAIRED, I hope not both! The people who “run the country” are not economics/finance CAPACITY as I can see – never mind whatever scholastic pride of endeavors. Some talk nonsense outside the political zoo which might still impress the 70% daft Ah Sengs.

    A recent survey preferred Tharman to take the helm now – polls says 92% of those survey “kee chiu” for Tharman.

    Not suitable: In Panorama View of the entire country including the woods and the forests, You can counter numbers with numbers, plots with plots as you like but just “DON’T RUN THE COUNTRY”.

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  • I told u 10million is coming:

    work to death man i getting out of here its sucks hard to get a freedom life and the rest enjoy like elite family and pap

    singapore hard to get a girlfriend and its so lonely country as you have no money and assets you been saving money gone to govt and singaporean are brainwash to the max young boys and girls until they become adult as a man and woman we have no money to enjoy until we die is it fair?
    at least overseas people got stable life unlike us we been told we can enjoy where is the enjoyment even to get a girlfriend she want you to get lots of money that you cant afford, no money to buy your favourite house or car that you can forever watch people afford it. our basic needs have been threaten by these people we will forever in debt until we die never ending paying

    GIVEN UP AS SGPOREAN I DON’T KNOW WHY I AM HERE! VTO IF U WANT FREEDOM THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE I HOPE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE IF NOT BYE SGPORE

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  • Beyond 1 + 1:

    Never mind the wild hogs, monkeys, or buffalos in the forest, they are all animals. Hope you not any one of those there.

    Tharman? he is PAPi is he not? Better check his soul and your brain.
    What did he publicly announced in response?

    That’s why 1 + 1 is far from suitable. It’s beyond simple maths. There’s no half way and half hearted in Politics. You had got to wake up.

    oxygen:
    @ Not Suitable,

    AAAARRGH, YOU MUST BE VISUALLY OR COGNITIVELY IMPAIRED, I hope not both! The people who “run the country” are not economics/finance CAPACITY as I can see – never mind whatever scholastic pride of endeavors. Some talk nonsense outside the political zoo which might still impress the 70% daft Ah Sengs.

    A recent survey preferred Tharman to take the helm now – polls says 92% of those survey “kee chiu” for Tharman.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Beyond 1 + 1

    Dunning Kruger effect and Ah Seng intelligence won’t save your day or live. Politics is a lot more subtle than you can fathom.

    The stupid mind thinks like water, smarter mind is water. I am sure you can’t fathom the difference.

    Beyond 1 + 1: Never mind the wild hogs, monkeys, or buffalos in the forest, they are all animals. Hope you not any one of those there.

    Tharman? he is PAPi is he not? Better check his soul and your brain.
    What did he publicly announced in response?

    That’s why 1 + 1 is far from suitable. It’s beyond simple maths. There’s no half way and half hearted in Politics. You had got to wake up.

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  • Find And Jail Them:

    no where else to run..:
    the rich can always emigrate to escape.. the rest will suffer and die..fasterer with all the push and shove stresses!

    The rich will also die, but they die rich. The place is irrelevant.
    The clown with all the evils done, is definitely kicking the pail in no time resting comfortably in his cash bed platinum box. Do you think he cares for the future of this country? He doesn’t even care about the dead father or kinships, you think he has the time to care for you dafts behind that cheeky smile?
    He is already an honorary citizen of another country. His mentor, locally schooled master economist, strangely lost his voice while still paid for chobolan title and supposedly to play his great idea, the self-check-self of this government. His greatest achievement is to make this place overcrowded and very expensive to live, passing that flame to the dying clown.

    If serious accountability is extracted, the bet is everyone will be on their toes. We cannot have the billion-dollar carrots but not the jail cane.

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  • Just Kick Them Out:

    I told u 10million is coming:
    work to death man i getting out of here its sucks hard to get a freedom life and the rest enjoy like elite family and pap

    singapore hard to get a girlfriend and its so lonely country as you have no money and assets you been saving money gone to govt and singaporean are brainwash to the max young boys and girls until they become adult as a man and woman we have no money to enjoy until we die is it fair?
    at least overseas people got stable life unlike us we been told we can enjoy where is the enjoyment even to get a girlfriend she want you to get lots of money that you cant afford, no money to buy your favourite house or car that you can forever watch people afford it. our basic needs have been threaten by these people we will forever in debt until we die never ending paying

    GIVEN UP AS SGPOREAN I DON’T KNOW WHY I AM HERE! VTO IF U WANT FREEDOM THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE I HOPE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE IF NOT BYE SGPORE

    Average dafts are suspicious but chose to talk about it, having Intelligent discussions rather than act on it with their votes. They can try keep talking to see if they can keep the population down.
    We shall see which is better and more effective, words or actions.

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  • Ah Sengs not interested:

    @Oxygen;

    Stupid mind contains water which is H + 2 “Oxygen” hence, it thinks and talks “watery” language, pompous and verbose most of the time but are wholly empty of meanings, missing the gist of the essence, and entirely missing the mark, so to speak.

    Ah Seng intelligence won’t comprehend as you said. So why are you here?

    Fathoming the textual of Politic wouldn’t make Ah Seng believes you are anybody or anywhere near to somebody. Hey, You are still you, in TRE trying to impress Ah Seng with marked up watery language, isn’t it.

    I, like many others, are not impressed. Never read your articles, really. Don’t know what the hell you are talking. The Ah Sengs are not interested.

    oxygen:
    @ Beyond 1 + 1

    Dunning Kruger effect and Ah Seng intelligence won’t save your day or live. Politics is a lot more subtle than you can fathom.

    The stupid mind thinks like water, smarter mind is water. I am sure you can’t fathom the difference.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Ah Seng not interested

    REALLY?? But Ah Seng read (past tense) this thread comments from Oxygen and responded below.

    Dunning kruger effects working over-time and sublimal too.

    LOL.

    Ah Sengs not interested: Stupid mind contains water which is H + 2 “Oxygen” hence, it thinks and talks “watery” language, pompous and verbose most of the time but are wholly empty of meanings, missing the gist of the essence, and entirely missing the mark, so to speak.

    Ah Seng intelligence won’t comprehend as you said. So why are you here?

    Fathoming the textual of Politic wouldn’t make Ah Seng believes you are anybody or anywhere near to somebody. Hey, You are still you, in TRE trying to impress Ah Seng with marked up watery language, isn’t it.

    I, like many others, are not impressed. Never read your articles, really. Don’t know what the hell you are talking. The Ah Sengs are not interested.

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  • Mankali, MankaLa:

    @Oxygen

    You were castigated in counter-response to your silly comments. No Ah Sengs are interested in your thread, if you had started any.

    Don’t need to teach your uncle how to ramp your gestational sac, but, I promise you I was not the only one that night!.

    Can’t blame you cannot differentiate Mankali, MankaLa and BangRALA now. What effect you said? LOL.

    oxygen:
    @ Ah Seng not interested

    REALLY?? But Ah Seng read (past tense) this thread comments from Oxygen and responded below.

    Dunning kruger effects working over-time and sublimal too.

    LOL.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Mankali, MankaLa:

    SORRY MATE, THOUGHT YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT SMARTER of thinking like water. I overestimated your Dunning Kruger infected skull. Your desiccate coconut is filled with only SH*T. Can’t even argue rationally, resort to racism attacking uninvolved parties.

    Mankali, MankaLa: Can’t blame you cannot differentiate Mankali, MankaLa and BangRALA now. What effect you said? LO

    Why don’t you change your moniker to farthead since your head is full of excreta absorb with senseless ranting and abuse of one and all?

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  • DK:

    @Oxygen;

    The delusion bias perception “Dunning Kruger effects” should be more appropriately applies to “Oxygen”, as no one, except himself claimed to be more superior in the whole episode above, in slamming others as stupid “Ah Seng”.

    I suggest he should reflect upon himself and respect others here.

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  • oxygen:

    THE WHOLE IDEA OF UNDERGROUND DEVELOPMENT FOR HUMAN ECONOMIC GEOGRAPHY USE to accommodate a 10 million population size is stupid economic bordering on insanity.

    One NUS Civil Engineering Professor, Yong Kwet Yew, warned of technical challenges….include the “uncertainty of the geology and ground conditions” and “potential damage to above ground buildings”. In addition, there is also the difficulty of evacuating “people in the event of an underground fire”.

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2019/04/04/ura-releases-plan-to-build-underground-infrastructure-ready-for-10-million-population/

    I am sure mining geologists and engineers would agree with Professor Yong. Mines are build only where the rock competence is stable and geotechnically resolute in lab test at least. In vibration of mining operations, mine walls and excavations sometimes collapsed, killing workers and trapping miners underground.

    Also energy costs goes up a lot of air-cooling. In some place it gets hotter by 3 degree F.for every 100 metre of depth. Mining engineers call this temperature gradient. Can the poor living underground afford this??

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  • Thrashed Oxy:

    “Intelligent”, but only [self-professed] OXYGEN, gotten thrashed by Ah Sengs in TRE. Hahahahahahahah LOL

    He and his “Water” brain of his? LOL.

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  • LIONS:

    Lawrence Wong says build underground.
    Thinks he talks cock.
    Even building underground Mrt oredy poses grave issues.
    Imagine one huge estate below ground?
    Caving will occur.
    Even the MRT they built will collapse!
    Maybe he can consider to build below Istana or his own bungalow first?

    Just becos bo$$ says ten millions,he quickly says underground.
    Think he shud be buried underground first.

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  • oxygen:

    @ DK

    OI OI OI, THE CONSTRUCTION of the Ah Seng’s character and its grotestue dramatisation isn’t the invention nor discovery of Oxygen.

    Where were you residing in the last few weeks?

    DK: The delusion bias perception “Dunning Kruger effects” should be more appropriately applies to “Oxygen”, as no one, except himself claimed to be more superior in the whole episode above, in slamming others as stupid “Ah Seng”.

    and

    DK: I suggest he should reflect upon himself and respect others here.

    I hope this unnecessary “gathering” of like-minded of an everchanging moniker of the contrasting perspective of someone else in this thread is not the product of guilty mind, guilty defensive posture in this thread.

    Thanks for the entertainment.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Thrashed Oxy

    THANKS FOR THE TTBL ENTERTAINMENT HERE – ttbl stands for theatric, trash, bluff and lies but it is only YOU who keeps changing moniker to create illusion of fictional characters popping up from the (PAPpy) bunker.

    Your lack of content, brevity of facile narrative, and style of trolling are all dead giveaways.

    YOU ARE A PAPpy IB in pretensions of contents in the opposite for the cause of peasantry worrying about those with economic/financial capacity coming to TRE exposing your master failed policy pillars.

    Thrashed Oxy: “Intelligent”, but only [self-professed] OXYGEN, gotten thrashed by Ah Sengs in TRE. Hahahahahahahah LOL

    He and his “Water” brain of his? LOL.

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  • oxygen:

    @ LIONS

    PAPpypolitics and PAPpynomics EITHER FORGOTTEN, IGNORANT OF THIS FACT or pretending it didn’t happened in 2004.

    Nicoll Highway collapse

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicoll_Highway_collapse

    MINING GEOLOGISTS KNOW THIS HAS TO HAPPEN.

    LIONS: Lawrence Wong says build underground.
    Thinks he talks cock.
    Even building underground Mrt oredy poses grave issues.
    Imagine one huge estate below ground?
    Caving will occur.
    Even the MRT they built will collapse!
    Maybe he can consider to build below Istana or his own bungalow first?

    Just becos bo$$ says ten millions,he quickly says underground.
    Think he shud be buried underground first.

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  • Hilarious:

    @Oxygen

    Hahahahahahahahaha I laugh until I slipped the toilet seat.. that sac thing… hahahaha LOL… took a while to understand the meaning…… man he is creative… but oxygen with rino skin… still manage to struggle with a lame piece… nah!… cannot make it… especially when you can self-acclaimed astonishing feat of your capacity!.

    Better respect your uncles lah, who knows you may carry their genomes leh?

    Ah Sengs don’t appreciate, as we all know.

    oxygen:
    @ VTO or we suffer

    It is those with accounting/finance capacity who can see through the skullduggery, lies, deception, fantasy and propaganda of PAPpypolitics and PAPpynomics and expose them to “Ah Sengs”

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  • oxygen:

    @ Hilarious

    AH LIAN IS RIGHT ABOUT AH SENG’s retardation. Can’t even sit stable on the Emperor’throne.

    And confessed too – all unsolicited.

    Hilarious PAPpy IB bites the dust yet again. LOL.

    Hilarious: Hahahahahahahahaha I laugh until I slipped the toilet seat

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  • opinion hor not a fact hor:

    //warned of technical challenges….include the “uncertainty of the geology and ground conditions”//

    more expensive to build and maintain; yet the potential for even higher cost to rectify / make good if serious structural problems or crack arise.

    need the whole place to be constantly lighted and with good air circulation, hence higher energy costs.

    perhaps, only white idiots with 10m or 20m artificially boosted up population (can blame on aging problem ?) in their self interested minds would only dream / think of it (underground development hor).

    caveat : opinion hor not a fact hor.

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  • DK:

    This kind of t*b*n Oxygen Elitist Dunning Kruger sickness type flawed character, if given a chance would be no different from Lau Goh slamming sinkies as “Mediocres”, no difference, sooner or later.

    What good is his English then?

    Just ignore this kind of stupid guy here.

    Ah Sengs not interested:
    @Oxygen;

    Stupid mind contains water which is H + 2 “Oxygen” hence, it thinks and talks “watery” language, pompous and verbose most of the time but are wholly empty of meanings, missing the gist of the essence, and entirely missing the mark, so to speak.

    Ah Seng intelligence won’t comprehend as you said. So why are you here?

    Fathoming the textual of Politic wouldn’t make Ah Seng believes you are anybody or anywhere near to somebody. Hey, You are still you, in TRE trying to impress Ah Seng with marked up watery language, isn’t it.

    I, like many others, are not impressed. Never read your articles, really. Don’t know what the hell you are talking. The Ah Sengs are not interested.

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  • Hilarious::

    @Oxygen

    No, it’s just too funny. Turban Oxygen is not bad for your moniker here would you say? as others suggested. hahahhahhahahahahaha LOL.

    Help you do branding here since you pride yourself so much.

    oxygen:
    @ Hilarious

    AH LIAN IS RIGHT ABOUT AH SENG’s retardation. Can’t even sit stable on the Emperor’throne.

    And confessed too – all unsolicited.

    Hilarious PAPpy IB bites the dust yet again. LOL.

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  • Forward thinking:

    Cantonese got a saying for it;

    “Know little little but insist to be the group representative”

    Exactly fits this t*b*n Oxygen guy. Did little bid but want to pronounce how educated and great he is to all the Ah Sengs here.

    It is not the education or scholars or qualification. We have so many failed ones around. That guy character is obviously flawed exactly like the PAPi. One is high up, intolerant and sue even its own citizens. And One, allowed to climb and now call those that supported him as mediocre. And this guy, all Ah Sengs are wrong to him.

    You can faint your speech whether spoken or written, but you cannot hide your character. This chap, even when someone advise him to reflect himself, already exposes his weakness and flawed character as can be seen so clearly, regardless of what he wrote before, that most didn’t be bothered to read anyway.

    Therefore, during this election, we shouldn’t be bothered with how sweet its sound from their mouth, scholars or army generals or what they wrote, we should select the Person with good character and ability and truly want to serve the People of Singapore regardless of education or recognition they received.

    What do you think?

    DK:
    This kind of t*b*n Oxygen Elitist Dunning Kruger sickness type flawed character, if given a chance would be no different from Lau Goh slamming sinkies as “Mediocres”, no difference, sooner or later.

    What good is his English then?

    Just ignore this kind of stupid guy here.

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  • oxygen:

    HILARIOUS, AH SENG SLAPPING HIS OWN BACKSIDE and continues to moan and groan nonsense in this thread. Thanks for the entertainment.

    Otherwise Ah Seng have no other productive constructive thoughts to add to topical discourse here.

    I AM ENJOYING MYSELF PULLING THE TAIL OF MONKEY FOR LAUGHTER AND ENTERTAINMENT.

    HA HA HA.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Forward thinking

    SO YOU CONFESSED, WITHOUT SOLICITATION, THAT YOU ARE INDEED Ah Seng here?

    Forward thinking: Exactly fits this t*b*n Oxygen guy. Did little bid but want to pronounce how educated and great he is to all the Ah Sengs here.

    But HILARIOUS to the max of contradiction, your moniker claims “forward thinking”!!! How about taking you on a test ride on a kid’s bicycle?

    oxygen: THE WHOLE IDEA OF UNDERGROUND DEVELOPMENT FOR HUMAN ECONOMIC GEOGRAPHY USE to accommodate a 10 million population size is stupid economic bordering on insanity.

    One NUS Civil Engineering Professor, Yong Kwet Yew, warned of technical challenges….include the “uncertainty of the geology and ground conditions” and “potential damage to above ground buildings”. In addition, there is also the difficulty of evacuating “people in the event of an underground fire”.

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2019/04/04/ura-releases-plan-to-build-underground-infrastructure-ready-for-10-million-population/

    I am sure mining geologists and engineers would agree with Professor Yong. Mines are build only where the rock competence is stable and geotechnically resolute in lab test at least. In vibration of mining operations, mine walls and excavations sometimes collapsed, killing workers and trapping miners underground.

    Ah Seng CLUELESS AGAIN, RIGHT?

    What is “uncertainty of the geology and ground conditions” spoken by the NUS professor?

    Oh BTW, Oxygen have NEVER ATTENDED a lecture in civil engineering or geology. He is not even clever enough to pass PLSE!!

    He learns everything on the internet. Now your turn, can you tell me what is the difference between reverse circulation drilling and diamond core drilling? How are these, if any, is relevant to geotechnical stability testing of underground rock formation?

    Ah Seng “buay heow” (clueless) again, right? TOO LAZY TO READ AND LEARN from internet resources but come here to fart gas providing public entertainment only.

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  • We all laugh:

    @Oxygen;

    As if you added any?

    More enjoyment for you;

    The ramping by the Mangali, big and long must have broken your head.

    North don’t know west, upper breath don’t connect lower breath. Chinese say… No medicine can cure…

    Hahahahahahaha LOL, I did buy pain relieving oil for her after her long and painful ordeal, though…… that cold winter night.

    More laughter from you, I suppose…. hahahahahahahah LOL. We all laugh.

    oxygen:
    HILARIOUS, AH SENG SLAPPING HIS OWN BACKSIDE and continues to moan and groan nonsense in this thread. Thanks for the entertainment.

    Otherwise Ah Seng have no other productive constructive thoughts to add to topical discourse here.

    I AM ENJOYING MYSELF PULLING THE TAIL OF MONKEY FOR LAUGHTER AND ENTERTAINMENT.

    HA HA HA.

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  • OLD man past glory:

    @oxygen

    Are you such insane as if to expect me to waste my time to search those such basics information from the internet such as to satisfy your curiosity. Like I said, we are not interested in your NONSENSES.

    If you have attended any witness testing for blast valves and OPV, then come talking to me. I guess you don’t even know what and why they are for and we are building?

    You could be suffering from HPD plus Dunning Kruger disorder to demand attention here.

    But, hey, you not getting it except slapping as you well deserve.

    Please don’t rehearse past glory here, old man.

    WE ARE NOT INTERESTED.

    oxygen:
    @ Forward thinking

    Ah Seng CLUELESS AGAIN, RIGHT?

    What is “uncertainty of the geology and ground conditions” spoken by the NUS professor?

    Oh BTW, Oxygen have NEVER ATTENDED a lecture in civil engineering or geology. He is not even clever enough to pass PLSE!!

    He learns everything on the internet. Now your turn, can you tell me what is the difference between reverse circulation drilling and diamond core drilling? How are these, if any, is relevant to geotechnical stability testing of underground rock formation?

    Ah Seng “buay heow” (clueless) again, right? TOO LAZY TO READ AND LEARN from internet resources but come here to fart gas providing public entertainment only.

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  • oxygen:

    @ We all laugh

    DID I ADD ANY FURTHER CONTRIBUTION to this thread?

    We all laugh: As if you added any?

    Sure I do and here it is for a blind freak monkey with a long tail.

    oxygen: Now your turn, can you tell me what is the difference between reverse circulation drilling and diamond core drilling? How are these, if any, is relevant to geotechnical stability testing of underground rock formation?

    All that you this stupid monkey contribute is to engage in racism attack on others irrelevant to this thread discourse as long as they are within your keyboard reach.

    IMH got a reserve bed slot for you.

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  • oxygen:

    @ OLD man past glory

    IT IS GOOD TO FLUSH OUT A CLOSET IB whatever blast valves and OPV did for the Nicoll Highway MRT tunnel collapse of 2004.

    So you expect me to be convinced that mining technology in geotechnical stability is backward of reliability to what is now being tested in Punggol underground development planning?

    This is PLAIN NONSENSE.

    AND YOU ARE RIGHT, WE ARE NOT INTERESTED!!

    OLD man past glory: If you have attended any witness testing for blast valves and OPV, then come talking to me. I guess you don’t even know what and why they are for and we are building?

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  • OLD OXYGEN TU LANG:

    @Oxygen;

    Hahahahahahah LOL

    You know NUTS about blast valves and OPV. It has nothing to do with the Nicoll Highway tunnel whatsoever.

    From this, I can therefore safely say that you are an unqualified old man in this field of subject, probably intending to come here stir shits.

    As the Cantonese saying, knows little little but insist to be the group representative. hahahhahahahahaah LOL.

    Any one here can verify this with any Professional Consultants or Singapore civil engr Main Contractors to confirm this guy knows nuts about the subject. [But, Whether they will leak further details on the whereabouts installation is another matter, though.]

    Since you are an unworthy, dubious, inaccurate and rude person, so, I ain’t going to waste anymore time on you, OLD MAN. Ain’t going to educate you either.

    OLD Man tu lang liao. hahahahahahaha LOL.

    Bye…. not going to give you a chance to reply either…. hahahahahahaha cause I ain’t going to read….. hahahahahahhahah

    Enjoy your Sunday, Old Man….. Omen!

    oxygen:
    @ OLD man past glory

    IT IS GOOD TO FLUSH OUT A CLOSET IB whatever blast valves and OPV did for the Nicoll Highway MRT tunnel collapse of 2004.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Old Oxygen Tu Lang

    WHATEVER YOUR CIVIL ENGINEERING WONDER of ” blast valves and OPV” technological wonder, it didn’t prevent Nicoll Highway cave-in to the extent that MRT route and station got to be diverted to another location.

    For you, obviously, Nicoll Highway debacle didn’t exist of civil engineering wonder achievement.

    OLD OXYGEN TU LANG: You know NUTS about blast valves and OPV. It has nothing to do with the Nicoll Highway tunnel whatsoever.

    But that said, you studiously avoided explaining this civil engineering warnings from A NUS CIVIL ENGINEERING PROFESSOR NO LESS – as late as only last week NOT WITHSTANDING YOUR CIVIL ENGINEERING MIRACLE TECHNOLOGY WONDER OF BLAST VALVES AND OPV.

    oxygen: One NUS Civil Engineering Professor, Yong Kwet Yew, warned of technical challenges….include the “uncertainty of the geology and ground conditions” and “potential damage to above ground buildings”. In addition, there is also the difficulty of evacuating “people in the event of an underground fire”.

    SO WE KNOW YOU ARE A FAKE AND SET THE BAIT FOR YOU TO BITE knowing that your pretension of Nicoll Highway non-existence will force you to flee in hiding.

    WHEN IT COMES TO ROCK STABILITY TESTING, MINING GEOLOGY IS FAR MORE ADVANCED THAN CIVIL ENGINEERING.

    SO YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT with this blast valves and OPV that is unlikely to predict another Nicoll Highway killer in waiting warned by the NUS civil engineering professor.

    have a nice day, goondu racist Ah Seng of the lowest denominator.

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  • oxygen:

    @ OLD OXYGEN TU LANG

    YOU PROMISED HERE TO GO INTO HIBERNATION LIKE A SN*KE IN WINTER MONTHS but your ghost reincarnate in another TRE thread.

    HPD:
    April 7, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    http://www.tremeritus.net/2019/04/05/alex-tan-to-return-to-singapore-to-face-the-music/#comment-1850174

    Buay Kian Xiao Meh?

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