Who is George Yeo to lecture Hong Kongers on politics after losing a GRC?

George Yeo

George: ” … Hong Kongers “need to work with Chief Executive Carrie Lam, even if they do not like her.”

Hmm … is CEO Carrie Lam indispensable to Hong Kongers?

Who is George to lecture Hong Kongers – who are smarter than majority of docile Singaporeans, on who should be their leader?

Despite losing a GRC in 2011, George appears to be as arrogant as he was in 1995 when he made this statement:

“REMEMBER your place in society before you engage in political debate, …

Debate cannot degenerate into a free-for-all where no distinction is made between the senior and junior party, or what the Hokkiens describe as “boh tua, boh suay”…

You must make distinctions – what is high, what is low, what is above, what is below – and then within this, we can have a debate, we can have a discussion.”

At only 41, George had forgotten he relied on tax dollars all his life, fast-tracked to BG not on merit but academic qualifications.

Fortunately for George, social media was non existent or Singaporeans would have labelled him “si gui kia” for his audacity.

Perhaps the really “boh tua, boh suay” George would like to tell Singaporeans to stick to PAP’s failed housing, healthcare, etc policies?

 

Phillip Ang

* The author blogs at LikeDatOsoCanMeh.

 

 

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75 Responses to “Who is George Yeo to lecture Hong Kongers on politics after losing a GRC?”

  • mike:

    Years rubbing shoulders with people of significants in HK/CN made him more arrogant than ever.

    Do not think that he was lecturing HK. He was lecturing us. The elitist mind warning each of us our place in the society.

    Good job GY. Past 10years had taught you the higher level of social class discrimination. Are you planning a come back as ver 2.0 foreign minister since HK is not so much of a playground to you now?

    Or going middle east next?

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Phillip Ang:
    QUOTE: “At only 41, George had forgotten he relied on tax dollars all his life, fast-tracked to BG not on merit but academic qualifications.”[END]
    41 years old? Mate! The guy is a fossil @ 65 years old [born in 13/09/1954]. He’s had it good all his life [based on academic & state support only] but if you examine him carefully, he’s not as good as he claims!
    And the rest I totally agree with Phillip! He is an Artificial Product churned out from an “unsustainable” Meritocracy eco-system, born out of Entitlements, Privileges & Cronyism – a “Fake” mechanism constructed by the late LKY using a Paramount State structure [which is now failing].
    Have a look at his biography:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Yeo
    Nothing shouts out to you as a particularly gifted nor a brilliant individual.
    He is a product of a fake & artificial Meritocracy Policy devised by LKY. And he’s benefitted eversince!
    Like Phillip Ang says, he was “fast-tracked to BG not on merit but academic qualifications” & “relied on tax dollars all his life”.
    Parachuted into politics in 1988 via GRC, all his 22 years (1988-2011) in govt, he was famous only for one particular agreement he signed with India which was CECA in 2003 as Foreign Affairs Minister.
    George Yeo had also [claimed] to have propose the idea of having Integrated Resorts (IRs) in Singapore around 2005 inspite of his later admission that his late father had a gambling habit. Plus he was a practicing Roman Catholic yet claiming that “the decision to push for the gaming resorts was personally a very difficult one & involved [making] a choice between ‘evils’! How does he sound to you? A conflicted personality?
    And the resultant effect of his CECA contribution was his turfing out from the Aljunied-Hougang GRC as the “foreigner influx” backlash during the 2011 GE.
    And he was the 1st among the PAP Ministers to be turf out of Parliament (he came in under GRC, he also went out via GRC) & out from the generous pay packages that all PAP minister received as part of their “Entitlements, Privileges & Benefits” reward system. Ha-ha-ha-ha!
    He “retired” from politics probably out of embarassment, if nothing else! His PAP peers (MPs) & fellow Cabinet Ministers probably either laughing at him for his GE “cock-up” or got a kick up the backside reminding themselves “not to do a George Yeo” during elections, or lose a good source of living! True or not?
    Post-GE, Robert Kuok invited him into his company. Typically Asian conglomerates foster strong ties with ex-political figures simply because they had a link back to the govt organisations they’ve left. And he was also the Chancellor of Nalanda University but then left under a cloud.

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  • Nobody will miss GY:

    GY is really a seif-inflated, highly egotistic a*shole who still thinks highly of himself and all for himself.

    After being kicked out from Aljunued, he has not learned to eat humble pie. In fact, this arrogant MFcuker wished to ride on the presidential ticket for the highest office.

    Has this paper general fire a single bullet in any battlefield? Answer is no, no, no.

    GY should shut his trap forever and quietly enjoy his $m pension for the remaining years of his lucky life. He always want to just flow with the wind, a savvy shameless opportunist to get fame and fortune.

    But GY is now gone with the wind, a nobody!

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    mike:
    Years rubbing shoulders with people of significants in HK/CN made him more arrogant than ever.

    Do not think that he was lecturing HK. He was lecturing us. The elitist mind warning each of us our place in the society.

    Good job GY. Past 10years had taught you the higher level of social class discrimination. Are you planning a come back as ver 2.0 foreign minister since HK is not so much of a playground to you now?

    Or going middle east next?

    nahhh!!! most likely India to be Chancellor for a University

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  • doesn't know his place:

    george yeo is a nobody.

    even we old folks of Aljunied could remove him from parleement.

    yet he has the gall to lecture on another people when he himself is of worse mettle. he ran road to HK and sought refuge there yet bit the hand that welcomed him. truly another pap useless ungrateful Lj.

    george yeo does not know his place in the world, despite his expensive education at 70% sheep expense. a pity.

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  • The Reason Why:

    China is using Sillypore playbook to run its place. Money economics but one party autocratic rule that enriches the cronies, allowing some or the privileged to get rich than the others, two sets of law with the ruling power entitlement mindset where some animals are more equal than others.

    The sillylocal universities ‘thinktanks’ have been getting rich by teaching old man’s brand of politics and know-how to running the Sillyplace, to Chinese communist party and technocrats. They repackaged what they got from Harvard school of government, infused the self serving desirable element of autocracy for power, then preached these to the Chinese.

    A failure of the CCP is a direct reflection of all the ills of one party rule and the Sillysystem. If you watch how some of the Chinese ruling elites analyse geopolitics or China, you will be shocked at how similar it was to the old man’s way of sizing up people or the political situation.

    So it is not surprising that a pappy will stand up to speak for China against HK, as it is imperative to show that the Sillysystem works, an undemocratic ‘free’ economy ruled by a few privileged elites or princelings must be shown to work.

    The nationalistic fervor of the youths in China is a result of years of indoctrination from young, not unlike that of the Sillysystem.

    The Chinese are now very apt at using the western way of manipulation and argument to game the system for their own gains, leaving out a very crucial element of checks and balances necessary for such democracy to work effectively.
    They have gained sophistication in using the ropes of influences and manipulations for self serving purposes. It has already been alleged that a number Chinese ruling elites are in fact Kleptocrats, hoarding large amount of corrupt money in the west.

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  • Flabbergasted:

    It’s a SAF paper-general’s ( if they even dare to admit there are general) disease.

    All of them are good at making groundless motherhood statements.

    All of them talk cock,suck up and kowtow to foreigners, but experts in bullying and pulling rank with us, peasants.

    It’s ok if men die in the battlefield as long as they survive.

    It’s ok to let in foreign shit to steal our lunches.

    It’s important to have foreign shit so as to prop up the false GDP which their big fat bonuses are pegged to.

    And who is the 1st useless “general” who has single-handedly turn this once-upon-a-time beautiful country into hell on earth for us, peasants?

    Use your votes wisely, vote for them if you want your future generations to be food deliverers and grab drivers for foreigners here and our women folk work as maids in their countries.

    Vote them out or DIE!!!!

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  • most uselss:

    He is still a party puppy….

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  • I Know:

    Don’t forget he and Heng Sweet Keat were the ones who negotiated the CECA agreement with India that let in planeloads of India FT and the parents, parents-in-law, other extended family members, fellow villagers.

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  • Bluff People:

    Don’t forget his support for Cardinal Pell, the Catholic Church’s most senior pedophile to be convicted of child sexual abuse. Phucked up morals he has.

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  • AliChan:

    GY, if you so smart, go and advise Donald Trump how to deal with the border crisis and see if he listens to you then you will know your place.

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  • AliChan:

    George Yeo, why dont you go out to the streets and talk to the protestors in Cantonese and tell them to work with Carrie Lam even if they dont like her. That way, the protestors will see you and hear you clearly. TELL THEM WHO YOU ARE and that you were previouly a B General from Spore who LOST.

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  • Think Above Others:

    GY supported a convicted pedophile openly, before judgement was passed in Australia, ignoring all the news and evidences leading up to the final conviction.
    Bad judgement and jumping the gun, perhaps thinking his remarks could have some special influence.
    Very bad to his credibility.

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  • Don't be smug:

    doesn't know his place:
    george yeo is a nobody.

    even we old folks of Aljunied could remove him from parleement.

    yet he has the gall to lecture on another people when he himself is of worse mettle. he ran road to HK and sought refuge there yet bit the hand that welcomed him. truly another pap useless ungrateful Lj.

    george yeo does not know his place in the world, despite his expensive education at 70% sheep expense. a pity.

    An aloof and arrogant elitist through and through who has benefited a lot from taxpayers money to attain power and wealth.

    Sad to say, GY is no different from a scumbag. What has he contributed to the wellbeing and welfare of ordinary people?

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  • Wolf in sheep's skin:

    Bluff People:
    Don’t forget his support for Cardinal Pell, the Catholic Church’s most senior pedophile to be convicted of child sexual abuse. Phucked up morals he has.

    Ya, this idiot is also closely associated and strong supporter of Jacky neo, the incorrigible Mediacoprse womanizer

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  • Ceca George the intellectual:

    Hoseh was invited to the istana for dinner one night. During the meal, the King asked Hoseh if he enjoyed the stew.

    “Yes,” replied Hoseh, “it was fantastic!”

    “Really?” said the King. “I thought it was pretty bad…”

    “Yes,” said Nasrudin, “you’re quite right your majesty – it was quite awful!”

    “Wait a minute,” remarked the King. “You just said it was fantastic a few seconds ago.”

    “That’s correct…,” explained Nasrudin, “but I live in and serve the domain of the King, not the stew.”

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  • george yeo and lim boon heng:

    when george yeo was still in uniform, he learned that the only way to go up the pap gravy train was to be noticed by pap master lying mentor lky.

    so george yeo wrote a nobody else will read paper. it caught pap master lying mentor lky’s eyes. the lky Lj told the next person to keep an eye on george yeo. as everyone knows, everybody under lky Lj second guesses him. so when lky Lj said, keep and eye on george yeo, these underlings all no clue whether to see up or to see down the george yeo. reading body language of lky Lj, they said, see up george yeo. so every ffffing report on george yeo to lky Lj was glowing. it glowed so much that george yeo was ministar in Aljunied.

    luckily residents of Aljunied, not even bothering about any repentence, voted out george yeo. and true to truth, lky Lj was lying. there was no need to repent at all in Aljunied.

    how did george yeo do it, this creating something out of nothing to the notice of pap master lying mentor lky? well. everyone in pap knows how to do it. even that ffffing crocodile tears lim boon heng knew it.

    when lim was a ordinary MP, he was very vocal, making all kind of right noises, so as to attract attention of lky Lj. lim did succeed. he became ministar and bought his mercedes. thereafter, lim was no sound no fury.

    upon retirement, awarded with lucrative no need to do anything portfolio in gic tmeasick at S$m for doing ffff off. from day one to now lim, and george yeo, has not done a single thing for 70% sheep. only for themselves.

    70% sheep truly WTF.

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  • Kettle and Pots Are Both Black:

    This guy is already Past Tense.

    Thanks God that he was kicked out by WP in GE2011. He can blindly support someone who was found guilty of sexual offend in other country by the local court, simply by his association and gut feel of the accused.

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  • Singaporean Kong Come:

    He go everywhere he follow the flow. Double standard. Teo Chew saying. Ti Gor Liang Ti Gor Chor.

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  • LongLongAgo:

    George on the front is an amicable and even affable character, I am sure, to his huge network of “friends” across the globe. His specialty is marrying “Rome with the church” or you can say he has the face of Maximinus and heart of Catholic Constantine. He is also a proponent of “multi personalities”.

    “A Singaporean is someone who accepts multiple identities and because I have a multiple identity, I respect your multiple identity.”

    There was an interesting incident about two thousand years ago. A “multiple identities character” immerged out of a tomb one day and was clearly delirious upon meeting a kind gentlemen. The gentlemen was not surprised at state of the man. Legend has it that he even assisted the man by sending his inner torments and turmoil into a herd of swine and the swine were extremely disturbed by the invasion and must have lost their marbles and gone over the cliff.

    George is a mild gentlemen who is neither “hot nor cold” or lukewarm. Very calming on the outside but enjoys extinguishing “chinese monkeys” in his spare time.

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  • Ghj:

    Please leave the character assassination of George Yeo aside.
    Objectively, do you agree with the protests or not? Hongkong is part of China. Those people who claim independence are misguided and follow western model blindly. The basic ingredients for sustainability of an independent country is all vanished in Hkg.
    . Location advantage? No more. Investors and shipping go straight to Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzen which all over an hkg.
    . Minerals? Zilch.
    .Water ? Not enough without China supplies.
    .Oil to make electricity? Zilch.
    .Manufacturing industries? Moved to shenzhen humbalang
    .R and D? ditto
    . Fintech? No
    So who is biting the hand that rock the cradle?
    The CCP has brought immense prosperity to billion people in China. What is there to protest? It is far better o adapt with the times than to fight 2047. Carrie Lam is fulfilling her role to transition hkg peacefully to 2047. It is absurd to see how people waving American Britain flags. I thought we singkies are yellow bananas. Hkg youth is worse.

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  • donald trump:

    George Yeo, Why dont you go onto the streets and talk to the HK people in Cantonese and tell them that they have to work with Carrier Lam even if they dont like her. STAND THERE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE AND HEAR YOU. TELL THEM WHO YOU ARE especially that fact that you are an ex Bragadier General in Spore

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  • Boh Chee = Human Nature:

    George work in HK???

    No choice , have 2 plp China.

    Given the same situation i believe the rest of you here will do the same.

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  • MarBowling:

    Bluff People:
    August 2, 2019 at 10:00 am (Quote)
    Don’t forget his support for Cardinal Pell, the Catholic Church’s most senior pedophile to be convicted of child sexual abuse. Phucked up morals he has.

    Response: don’t forget this MF whose two balls are one Big and One Small used to sit in the front row when Pastor Con Hee of CHC(Con Hee Church)gave his regular weekend sermon!

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  • YouAreSin:

    To accommodate all the legions of conflicting and extreme personalities in the global village into a “tiny nutcase”, you need to “tolerate” the conflicting ideologies and subconsciously allow the irrationality(the totality of irreconcilable conflicts) to sip into and permeate your psyche.

    Not only will you be a hypocrite, as you correctly charged your leaders, not reacting truthfully to these ideological conflicts means that you need to be blind, deaf and dumb.

    You are the best kind of sheep in the Church of Sin.

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  • Be honourable:

    donald trump:
    George Yeo, Why dont you go onto the streets and talk to the HK people in Cantonese and tell them that they have to work with Carrier Lam even if they dont like her. STAND THERE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE AND HEAR YOU. TELL THEM WHO YOU ARE especially that fact that you are an ex Bragadier General in Spore

    GY is both PLP and BLP (Bo Lan Pah) pappy puppy

    After being defeated at Aljunied, this so called general did not stay to fight back. Instead he let down all those constituents who had supported him all the years.

    Tho this clown is quite smart, GY is really a useless and unreliable wimp.

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  • Harder Truths:

    George ‘Cream Puff’ Yeo never had a real job in his life.

    Like all scholars his life was about saying the right things to the right people to get his taxpayer dollars.

    When he had to do prove himsrlf after losing the election – he quit.

    A Cream Puff can look good only if it kept carefully under glass. Once you squeeze it the whole thing collapses and its filling runs out.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Rabble-rouser:
    @ Phillip Ang:
    QUOTE: “At only 41, George had forgotten he relied on tax dollars all his life, fast-tracked to BG not on merit but academic qualifications.”[END]
    41 years old? Mate! The guy is a fossil @ 65 years old [born in 13/09/1954].

    What Philip meant was George Yeo was 41 when he made the infamous “Boh Tua Boh Suay” quote.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Zhenzidan:
    Tongue-in-cheek comment, Bro!
    From 41 years old to the present 65 years old, his “Boh Tua Boh Suay” quote now sounds rather hollow after his “Boh Tua Boh Suay” constituency turfed him out of Aljunied-Hougang GRC in 2011.
    It was highly embarrassing for such a high profile PAP Minister to lose his Parliamentary seat along with his million dollar Minister pay packet in a supposedly sure-win GRC contest. It was rigged as such! Si Bei Lou Kwee!
    Even his political exit was tinged with abandonment by the PAP – it was Robert Kuok, a M’sian tycoon who offered him a way out of his political embarrassment & out of sight to HK. Why no Temasek Holdings companies directorship for George Yeo once he had exited the PAP? Same goes for another Yeo – Yeo Cheow Tong. They had become PAP ghosts from the past!
    What was once-a-Prominent-Public-Figure with millions in his bank account but now a forgotten man? The proverb, Once bitten, twice shy! even extends to the PAP when it comes to offering the cherry of Elected Presidency nomination to George Yeo. What if he f***s up again?

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  • Not Your Pain:

    Hong Kong is for Hongkonger.
    They have the greatest and deepest stake in their place they live.
    The real pain is on them to do the right thing for themselves.
    They know what is best for them.

    Those who are not in this pain can talkcock, parrot cheaply in their comfort.
    What stake have these outsiders got? Cheap jobs? crony Money? greedy Riches? or Wayang that Hong Kong is part of your land parcel, you own them??

    Perhaps you can kid yourselves and live in your own dreams under natural aristocrat Pigs, but this is not the case for many others who have balls and brains.

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  • Old Man Wannabe:

    Gy is just making a tribal comment, his tribe is with the Pigs.
    Those within a tribe stand together to serve their own purpose.

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  • A Blind Parrot:

    Ghj:
    Please leave the character assassination of George Yeo aside.
    Objectively, do you agree with the protests or not? Hongkong is part of China. Those people who claim independence are misguided and follow western model blindly. The basic ingredients for sustainability of an independent country is all vanished in Hkg.
    . Location advantage? No more. Investors and shipping go straight to Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzen which all over an hkg.
    . Minerals? Zilch.
    .Water ? Not enough without China supplies.
    .Oil to make electricity? Zilch.
    .Manufacturing industries? Moved to shenzhen humbalang
    .R and D? ditto
    . Fintech? No
    So who is biting the hand that rock the cradle?
    The CCP has brought immense prosperity to billion people in China. What is there to protest? It is far better o adapt with the times than to fight 2047. Carrie Lam is fulfilling her role to transition hkg peacefully to 2047. It is absurd to see how people waving American Britain flags. I thought we singkies are yellow bananas. Hkg youth is worse.

    You should get yourself up to date on the problems of Hong Kong.
    The internet is full of them, enough for you to know what it is about.

    It is apparent that you are not aware of the reasons of the protests.

    Contrary to what you said, the issue is not about Independence and breaking away from China.

    Suggest you go through history,how Hongkong became a colon, why was it returned to China, what treaties were signed, what happened after 1997, what is the special administration, how is it elected, the past and present representatives, their backgrounds, the things they said and did, how things evolved and changes made, the yellow umbrella movement, what events triggered the current protest.
    Once you have them in your mind, then perhaps you can make a better contribution and give informed opinions.

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  • Unwavering Faith:

    MarBowling:
    Bluff People:
    August 2, 2019 at 10:00 am (Quote)
    Don’t forget his support for Cardinal Pell, the Catholic Church’s most senior pedophile to be convicted of child sexual abuse. Phucked up morals he has.

    Response: don’t forget this MF whose two balls are one Big and One Small used to sit in the front row when Pastor Con Hee of CHC(Con Hee Church)gave his regular weekend sermon!

    Isn’t he a Catholic, why is he in CHC? Conhee church is not Catholic.
    There are significant differences between the Christian dominations.
    Was he a regular at the CHC sermons?

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  • Pedo Pell:

    Was Pedo Pell his spiritual leader ? Once before?

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  • mike:

    @ Ghj

    You may get your answers by answering the questions to the scenario below would you?

    A mother gave birth to a baby boy. Did not feed the baby boy even a day after he was born. Then the mother slept with dozens of other men and give birth to dozens of babies. The mother got into fights with many other men, kena raped and tortured.

    One angmo man seized the baby boy who was left to survive on his own. He nurtured the boy, provide resources, education and opportunities (of coz the men did it for his own gain and reasons). Then the boy grew up as a young man. The mother came looking for this son and asked the angmo man to return the son or she will call in her villages of men she slept with to fight the men and take back the son forcefully.

    The angmo men gave in and gave up the young man

    The mother brings in her villages of men to fxxk the young men daily. Steal the lunch of thus young man’s family. The son now refuse to recognise the mother and want independent.

    Now the mother complain the son is rebellious and bite her hands.

    So you tell me, Ghj. What is the meaning of biting the hands that feed and misguided following western model blindly?

    Ghj:
    Please leave the character assassination of George Yeo aside.
    Objectively, do you agree with the protests or not? Hongkong is part of China. Those people who claim independence are misguided and follow western model blindly. The basic ingredients for sustainability of an independent country is all vanished in Hkg.

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  • Ghj:

    Mike. Apparently you know nothing about the opium wars. Your analogy implicates that the British were the ones who saved Hongkong cos you felt that China historically did not care a hoot about Hongkong. China bombed the opium carrying ships to protect Hkg and it’s surrounding from Angmo, as a result the 8 Allies retaliated and took Hongkong for a hundred years as punishment to China!!!!!And yet you can imagine that the angmo were the ones who fed and cared for Hkg people as a benevolent original plan? How wrong can you get.

    Hkg was a convenient trading post to access the china market. Well fortified, the angmo had a lot of gains to ship back to England via Hkg. Any benefits of the colonisation of Hongkong was incidental.

    I am outraged at the analogy of the mother slept with many men and then that the angmo came to save the son called Hongkong? What fictional historical parallel did that come from? China was undergoing numerous political upheaval in those days, but it is unbelievable how you portray England as the saviour of Hongkong?

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  • Ghj:

    Blind parrot
    The reason for the protest is totally invalid and flawed. The fugitive bill legitimises the deportation of suspects who commit crime in China to be sent back to China for crimes. Why are Hkg people protesting:
    1. They fear that the law will be abused, quoting the example of the Hkg book publisher who vanished.
    2. They do not like anything which come from Beijing. Cantonese people traditionally don’t mesh with mandarin people.
    But they forget the case of the Hkg criminal who murdered in Taiwan and seek refuge in Hkg,cannot be extradited.
    They forget that eventually Hong Kong will be Communist anyway 2047. A soft transition is necessary and maintain friends with Beijing is good for everyone.
    The fear that a law can be abused cannot be a reason to paralyse the entire economy with massive protests. The extradition law has many safeguards against abuse. It is only a pretext for the protesters whom even Tungcheewah said is arranged by West. The protesters at the back of the mind, many of them, refuse to accept a Hongkong under communism, but this is as sure as the sun will rise, 2047 is inescapable. Learn and accept the good sides of China and stop being traitors holding American and British flags. SHAMEFUL!!

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  • mike:

    @ Ghj

    Only you read about history?

    When you read history, read longer and wider.
    Read what leading to opium war. Read what happened in CN during that period. Glorifying opium war of how sick man was poisoned and bullied get us nowhere.
    If HK was so valuable to CN, why was it given up in first place? Why was CN weak? So now CN is strong and thus doing the same? History failed teaching us isn’t it?

    Not just opium war my dear. Try your luck better next time.
    I am not here to tell history story to you. Do you mind answering my question to that scenario?

    Outraged? There is more for you to outrage in the dark history of CN.
    Try read more.

    Ghj:
    Mike. Apparently you know nothing about the opium wars. Your analogy implicates that the British were the ones who saved Hongkong cos you felt that China historically did not care a hoot about Hongkong. China bombed the opium carrying ships to protect Hkg and it’s surrounding from Angmo, as a result the 8 Allies retaliated and took Hongkong for a hundred years as punishment to China!!!!!And yet you can imagine that the angmo were the ones who fed and cared for Hkg people as a benevolent original plan? How wrong can you get.

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  • Ghj:

    Dark History? Britain, USA…you name it, you got it. Everyplace has its own Dark History, USA being the mother of all evils. It is being hypocrite to point fingers at the sorry state of China internal affairs in the time of the Qing Dynasty which admittedly was rife with numerous embarrassing struggle of power and corruption …

    There opium trade was clearly a calculated attempt by the West to further weaken China and balance the international trade figures for West, cos they found little things the Chinese wanted from the west, compared to what the west wanted to buy from China!.
    The secession of Hongkong to the 8 Allies for 100 years after Gen Lin bombed the opium carrying ships, should never be seen as an attempt to deliver Hongkong from evil/neglect. It was a humiliation at its worse.Only a mad man would make this gross incorrect historical conclusion. The analogy you gave qualify you the dubious honour.
    As the years went by Stockholm syndrome prevailed. The local Chinese learnt to saka British, didn’t give trouble. It was win win situation and happily both sides benefitted, but a Chinese should always remember never to carry an England flag or America flag on Chinese soil. Moron protesters.

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  • Hopeless SG is Not HK:

    The pain is there, the reasons understood, Hongkongers decided to put a stop and demonstrated, one voice from 2 million demonstrators.

    On the contrary, looking at a sinkie, cannot feel their pain, but reasons supposedly understood, called out to them to accept the screwing, asked them to go hide under the communist’s skirt.

    This clearly explained how the 70% comes about. balless servile wimps who will compromise truths, justice, freedom and dignity for self preservation.
    The pain can be endured, will get use to.
    The flaw is in the head, it is terminal,
    SG will go a slow surely death if things are not changed.

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  • mike:

    @ Ghj

    Thank you for being a little more honest with your narrative of that short history of CN.

    Thank you for bestowing such honourable title to me as dubious. I am not silly CN worshipper who blindly support their motherland. My grandfathers and grandmothers had to run away from their own motherland and so what it makes me? The generation of Quitters? :::)))

    Who you think you might be in saying the westerners ‘calculated’ opium trade to ‘further weaken’ CN? Are you historian or group of historians that researched on this matter? Why Chinese were the largest consumer of opium at that time? What is trade when you say opium trade? What is the meaning of trade?

    The funny part is that you seems to had forgotten or not to know that SG even had an ‘opium hill’ that manufactured opium to supply hungry need of the sick man. And many employed in there were your countrymen and women. Why CN had such a need for it (opium)? Why instead of managing her people in against consuming opium, it waged a war to burn the ‘good’ of ‘merchants’? Just like why CN had to anti Korean goods just not so long ago? And many others in history.

    CN never learn isn’t it. Start blaming the world when the backyard is burning. It is always such behaviour. CN had not changed despite rich history of dynasty failures. And your blind support of your ‘motherland’ is just so amazingly ignorant.

    Pointing fingers to others as evil seems to forget your own ‘great doings’ and incompetent.

    Now, i am leaving you with this quote: ” A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.”

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  • Ghj:

    Mike.
    You are not familiar with international trade I guess. Balance of Payments. Have you heard of it? Why is there Trade War start by Donald? It begins when one country wish to buy lots of things from the other country but not vice versa. The imbalance result in the former unable to pay for it because of different money systems. Two ways to solve. You either block the country from selling you,like Trump. Or you create artificial demand get them addicted to something even opium. The evil of the British Empire was put to good use in the mid 1800′s.
    I am surprised you are Chinese even. You are not at all moved by the immense success of China since the 2000′s.? You are still living in the past with mental images of evil feudal warlords and dynasty dynamics, whilst selectively ignoring similar scenes of Genocide committed by USA and Britain? And ignoring huge succeeds like Huawei and believe the Trump nonsense of HW espionage?. Truth is,the world moves on. New China is here to stay, way beyond 2047. The Hkg people distance themselves from Beijing. It is a lose lose situation. There are better ways to an, in fact, inevitable great future of One China.

    International politics is all about blaming others. USA is expert at this. But you worship USA and Britain.崇洋。And you celebrate Hkg children waving Britain flags and USA flags? Whilst these countries have indeed do good generally to hkg in the last 100years, it is TREASONOUS disrespect of ONE Country to waive foreigner flag and burn the China emblems. That’s all. I try not to reason with brainwashed people so probably no more from me.

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  • BK:

    The problem with non democratic regimes. They always blame someone else. If the West can move 2 million ppl onto the streets, more than 25% of the population of HK. U have lost all legitimacy. And now the HK civil servants are in protests.

    Somehow all these ppl have no reasons to be unhappy? Somehow all these ppl are influenced by the West?

    Only the Chinese chauvinists see things in colors rather than values. Do not rojak all Chinese with u please.

    This civil disobedience is a global phenomenon, and we have to seriously look at a liberalism that had unleashed capital unfettered. Capital that increasingly has a strangling hold on politics and adversely affecting ordinary ppl.

    US wants to place missiles in Asia. WTF! Trump wants to reduce the military spending, and placing missiles in Asia is cheaper than keeping the Navy in the region.

    We cannot escape the tsunami. The question is, do we have the plan to survive it?

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  • Ghj:

    Blaming others? For what.
    China is so successful today, the success is hard earned. Russia is successful too, so which parts are they blame other’s? Democratic countries don’t blame others? Have you hear of a man called Donald Trump?
    A country is only as good as its leadership. The modern communism socialist system is not necessarily inferior to American or European style democracy. It is illogical to conclude that Communist countries blame others for their failures., BK.
    Hongkong unrest is simply because they refuse to accept Motherland. They want independence ultimately. The extradition Bill is already “dead”, yet the protest has still widened 100 times, this proves my point. The western media always refer the protests as Pro Democracy protests. This makes many people subconsciously accepting violence of the protestors. A highfalutin word ProDemocracy. I call it Anarchy. You cannot attack police station!!
    These protestors are so un-used to China style of government that they will stop at nothing, even get American help to subvert Chinese rule. Joshua Wong the small kid went to USa and then you see mayhem happens in hkg. The Americans are overjoyed when China is very weak. The Hong Kong situation makes you happy, because these youth are doing right things? I cannot agree.

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  • mike:

    @ Ghj

    You may cut that BS with me about balance of payment back in the 18/19th century. You are getting your timeline all screwed up mixing things like rojak.

    Money system? Since you are so good you tell me what was the system used in before 19th century, even before early part of 20th century. Why don’t you say there was credit rating to enable sell bond issued by CiXi.

    Having not winning your arguments about your CN motherland and you now trying hard to pull me into DJT’s current trade/technology war with whoever.

    Moved by Chinese immerse success of what? Huge suckccess of Huawei through what means? You are playing a new CN-imperial might for the 21st century and so the nine-dash line is just the beginning isn’t it? Are you the member of famous CN 50-cent battalion. Thus you had made at least $3 for this topic?

    Treason to who? CN? You seriously think i care? You seriously think CN give a hoot of how SG going to live into the future? Are you in the wrong website?

    Did i tell you i am Chinese? Chinese = CN people … tsk tsk tsk… if you tell people you are Chinese, it means you hold a CN passport. Get yourself right to today’s world context. Unless of course you are really having a CN passport.

    Thank you for the fun engagement of this interesting dialogue with me. I hope you had made enough 50c for the day

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  • BK:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3021287/chinas-envoy-us-blames-ill-intentioned-external-forces-hong

    Quote: Blaming others? For what.

    Illogical? U read anything else besides Mao’s red book? Is the reason HK is unhappy becoz of China style? Really? LOL.

    HK ppl are unreasonable? Only youths in protests? How about the HK unions, civil servants and bankers?

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  • Ghj:

    Hkg pple are unhappy because the economy is not doing well as investors go direct to China. The success of hkg under British is an illusion. It was all due to the massive China market and the strategic position as Gateway to China, which created the illusion that the British is the root cause of Hkg success. That is the reason I said earlier hkg protestors are biting the hand that rock the cradle. They got the wrong idea that the British angnmo is the”mother”.
    When China opened up and caught up with everybody in the last ten to 20 years, hkg became less relevant. The proud protestors simply cannot accept that people whom they considered less cultured, can now be masters.
    They don’t realise that their past success was merely due to pure luck, not due to some arty fatty nincompoop term like Democracy.
    Democracy does not mean prosperity. Marcos dictatorship was replaced by Democracy for so long, but what progress did Philippines make? Corruption is rampant in many countries with democracy.
    The protestors and strikers are causing billions of dollars of losses. And potential loss of their own jobs. They can only harm themselves. So what if some civil servants, bankers join a strike. It is utterly stupid way to solve a problem. It is totally unacceptable and treason to wave an American flag and British flag in the protests. There is not enough resources and sustainable elements needed to create a country called Honkong. Hngkong was, is and forever will be part of China.

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  • MarBowling:

    Ghj:
    August 5, 2019 at 1:36 am (Quote)
    Hkg pple are unhappy because the economy is not doing well as investors go direct to China. The success of hkg under British is an illusion. It was all due to the massive China market and the strategic position as Gateway to China, which created the illusion that the British is the root cause of Hkg success. That is the reason I said earlier hkg protestors are biting the hand that rock the cradle. They got the wrong idea that the British angnmo is the”mother”.
    When China opened up and caught up with everybody in the last ten to 20 years, hkg became less relevant. The proud protestors simply cannot accept that people whom they considered less cultured, can now be masters.
    They don’t realise that their past success was merely due to pure luck, not due to some arty fatty nincompoop term like Democracy.
    Democracy does not mean prosperity. Marcos dictatorship was replaced by Democracy for so long, but what progress did Philippines make? Corruption is rampant in many countries with democracy.
    The protestors and strikers are causing billions of dollars of losses. And potential loss of their own jobs. They can only harm themselves. So what if some civil servants, bankers join a strike. It is utterly stupid way to solve a problem. It is totally unacceptable and treason to wave an American flag and British flag in the protests. There is not enough resources and sustainable elements needed to create a country called Honkong. Hngkong was, is and forever will be part of China.

    Response: well said. Mother of all Hard Truths

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  • BK:

    Lol. By the same logic it is the US market that got China to prosper isn’t it? So why are u biting US hand that fed u? Gratitude is based on race color for u?

    The hubris and chauvinism of China that refused to learn from industrialization got them bullied. The same kind of chauvinism u are showing.

    The characteristic of ppl liked u, is u cannot see irony, paradox, subtle things that reveal the truth.

    HK ppl have a right to protest. Allowed by their laws. They protest coz they lived in a country that they cannot choose their leaders. Is their choice to protest. So what if China don’t liked it? What they are doing is lawful.

    The reason HK ppl protests us that they have no venue to change the ppl that governed them. So protests are their outlet.

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  • It's The End Already:

    It is sheer arrogance and ignorance to claim that two million hongkongers are not capable of seeking what is good for them.

    From some comments, interesting insight into the working of a flawed pig brain, forming knowledge through selective learning and patchworks, ignoring facts and reality, aligning them to one’s own wishful thinking.

    Once a brain like that is programmed, incapable of rewiring critically,
    even in the face of bare truths and reality.

    Just like the horse in Animal Farm which slogged to death with blind loyalty.
    Old man has always been right. Dafts are dafts.
    The level of ignorance and stupidity is amazing and incomprehensible.
    It’s a disaster that this nation will have to go down as well.

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  • The Same Mess In HK?:

    It seems to some, life under the British was better than under China for them to fly a union jack? It’s a sad episode for Chinese history and Chinese diaspora at large.
    It’s a slap to the Chinese communist party and clearly shows a problem in trust. Hongkongers are clearly unhappy and the number of demonstrators attested it is not a minority.
    The constant large influxes of mainland workers and visitors have a clearly negative impact and hongkongers have seen their sovereignty as promised by the Basic Law chipped away. This is all the more so when making a living is already a struggle for many hongkongers.

    Old man was a great worshipper of Hongkongers, as they relied little on the British to give any social service. To old man it seemed very cheap to rule and run Hongkong, everyone seems all out to make a living and money and not bothersome, perhaps that was what made it attractive to him and constantly lamenting sinkies should emulate them.
    Is the Communist practicing what they learnt from greedy pigs?
    There appears to be familiar parallelism in vision.
    If so, we can have a good guess of what HK will turn out to be under pigs.

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  • Ghj:

    Chinese exports cover every corner of earth. It is incorrect to believe that the Chinese are beholden to USA for its sales. It is also incorrect factually to insinuate that China is biting USA hand. China has no agenda to burn anyone hands. It is improving itself peacefully on its own and helping many countries. Ask Mr Duterte. China brings economic help, USA brings weapons and sow discord throughout history. Who has the right to say the Communist System of government is wrong, when the lives of 1,300,000,000 mainlanders are generally improving each year?
    Hongker need to adapt and assimilate.
    The protest against the Extradition of Fugitive bill was already resolved. Carrie Lam already acceded the request to cancel it a month ago. Why are they protesting violently? Because they are forever unhappy. It is childish to believe that by protesting this way the problems of unemployment and housing will be solved. It is childish to believe that if Hongkong gets universal suffrage and can vote, life will turn around. This is the epic case of youthful idealism fuelled by Western Propaganda.
    Two million hongkers are kidnapping the rights of remaining 5 million silent majority. It is far better to work with the government than throw brick at police. It is absolutely treasonous to dump your own country flag into the sea. They want two systems, two countries. China had endured 100 years of humiliation. Hongkong will always belong to China.

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  • BK:

    LOL. Everyone is selling to every corner of the Earth. So why is HK beholden to China? Your logic is increasingly desperate , repetitive and nonsensical.

    Lets be rationale, lets be practical , lets be factual. Lets not be emotional, and u will see the light.

    You know why there is a Li Keqiang index? Because even he does not believe in the ‘facts’ given to him by the Chinese bureaucrats. And you are part of that group of ‘bureaucrats’ that undermine China, but supporting inaccuracy because of ethnicity and race.

    Your analogy of 2 mio undermining the interests of 7.5 mio, shows you value short term over long term. Your understanding of economics, to be frank is shallow.

    Do you know that HK is one of the few economies that US has a trade surplus. because of traditions and locations since the British time, US used HK as a base for that region. Do u know why HK pegged its currency to USD?

    Contrary to your rose-tainted assumptions, HK remains a strong financial center that is dove-tailed with the Western banking system. China needs to open its capital markets to compete with HK at that level. Can u see it happening? Do u know why it is not happening? Give u a clue, coz China Chinese prefer to hide their money from Communist China, thus, capital controls.

    That is why the extradition bill even got the usually compliant business community jumping up and down.

    I see good things in China, it will prosper not because of ppl liked u, but despite ppl liked u.

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  • Ghj:

    Everyone is selling to every corner of the earth? And you say I am nonsensical? Is Singapore selling to every corner of earth? Do you see made in Australia toys in India? Or made in Dubai toys in Canada?
    Your argument is baseless. How do you know the 5 million who did not protest are fully support the violence in the streets? On other hand this idiotic 2 million are destroying public property and wrecking the city with threats. The Extradition Bill was withdrawn. Tell me why they throw rocks and block the trains? And you can cheer them on, believing this is Democracy and the correct way to a new Hongkong? To usurp a legitimate power by Force? Who is the Black Triad , the protesters of course.
    Is there merit in pegging to USD? USD is an illegitimate meaningless base since the Bretton Woods, they force the world to trade in USD which is basically artificially set by force. Anybody who challenges the USD standard will be eliminated, Saddam, and Libya and Assad and Venezuela. Russia and China are planning big things to turn things round, you can keep hugging USD.
    HONGKONG is unsustainable as an independent country. As a city of China, if it ever gains any Western style govern ance it will cause chaos to mainland China. The collapse of China is the agenda of the west. These children protesters in Hongkong have no idea the amount of poison they have been fed with. Anyone who throws bricks at police headquarters window deserve to be locked up.

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  • BK:

    Out of the 2 mio , a few hundred are violent. Why hold it against the peaceful protesters! Let the police arrest them.

    Are u telling me HK pegged theirs to RMB? Do u know why this cannot be done?

    USD $ is baseless and illegitimate? In that case the biggest idiots are the China Chinese isn’t it, for hoarding it?

    USD$ to go down? Don’t hold your breath, u will drown.

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  • mike:

    Very simple, history tells us that each time CN wanted or started to fight foreigners, whether it is trade, preventing external influence, and starts blaming others, it ultimately failed miserably with a civil war.

    Try very hard, yet it can never filled an angry stomach of her large population people. So large a population is both a blessing and a curse. CN ultimately will fail at least once more. The awakening of the dragon is not talking about the CN gov awaken. It is the awakening of CN chinese people in understanding the freedom of choice to choose their gov peacefully that will ultimately free-up the unlimited wisdom and potential of its people.

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  • Ghj:

    It’s not true that every time China fight foreigners it end with civil war. It’s absolute nonsense just like saying everyone sells goods all over the world. Fake news again.
    If not for the successful fight of the Communists to thwart the Japanese where would China be today? On the contrary after fighting the war China became more United.
    People do not understand the complexity of governing 1,300,000,000 people and erroneously believe that the only way to go is American style democracy. They just cannot think out of the box.
    Unleash the potential of the Chinese? Today, since the last 20 years, the potential of the Chinese people is already unleashed and still leaping forward. 5G. Hi-tech rail Construction. Military. Even the Americans have to borrow equipment from China for some recent space exploration.
    So what is all this about unleashing Chinese innovation? There is no basis to declare that by reverting the political system, China will be No.1. They are already there in many areas, of course not all areas. Why is a Communist country so successful? The West and it’s bound parrots ought to analyse this deeper instead of tearing down. My answer is that the Chinese are successful because they love China. Whether it’s Communist or Democratic, is just irrelevant and deceiving. The common folk only like to grumble when they are punished. Can you imagine the protester who was caught doing violence and he claimed he was taking a stroll. At 1130pm and wearing black T shirt? So this is freedom and democracy? Human is too evil whether Communist or democracy. China works, succeeds, and the west is jealous. Period.

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  • BK:

    Lol. There is rhetoric and there is fake news and some are outright lies.

    Communists did not win the war with Japan. China was freed becoz US won Japan. All these revisionists of history are laughable if not outrageous.

    Patriotism is not nationalism. Just coz u are a Chinese doesn’t mean all things US or the West are bad. This is the kind of chauvinism similar to the Nazis. U are the kind of Chinese that is loud and hollow.

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  • Ghj:

    Of course it was Hiroshima that forced Japanese surrender. Within China The Communist party were at the forefront of the war with Japanese whilst Chiang ks and his corrupt entourage did what. Civil war is a consolidation of power and part of nation building . American, French all had civil wars. Winner takes all. So is that a problem? From 1949 to 2019, China learned from mistakes and corrected itself in most bloody ways, but the result is a safe stable society of 1300000000people who can put their heads high and not be spit upon. It was sheer hard work and loyal people. Communsm/Socialist or Democracy are all imperfect. It’s like religion . Who are you to say that Jesus is better than Buddha…Yet the Americans war machine continue relentless in the name of Freedom Human Rights to do regime change to suit their Oil pursuit and other outrageous agenda. Do you understand that evil behind the invasion of Libya? Iraq was destroyed because of fake news of WMD. Ask me Duterte, USA brings weapons and sows discord, the Pentagon luterally
    USA REMAINS BAD TO THIS DAY (THINK SYRIA VENEZUELA IRAN).
    BUT what ever bad about the Chinese in the past, is being subsumed by the good things China is doing to the world. It is very evil to hope for the collapse of China. It is nothing to do with my own personal race.

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  • Ghj:

    Civil wars happen in USA and France and other countries, Winner takes all. What’s the problem with that?
    The most important difference between the Chinese and Americans is that to this day the Americans won’t give up their efforts to stir wars. Where there is no tension they build tension. Pompeio recently admitted openly American do tell lies. Isn’t that terrible? What good has democracy done? It is the pentagon and military machinery and Oil agenda that drives Americans, the President is just an accessory.
    China used to like to do ideology wars but now it’s main focus is R&D and innovaton and helping nations. Yet people like you are hopelessly trapped in the 1950s version of China.
    USA cannot accept they are losing in many things. So they sabotage Huawei. Anything to drag down China will be great for USA. This is unfair tactics. Rational people should see it. Hong Kong is the perfect way to destabilize China. The children protesters are naively manipulated. They are destroying hkg. Holding the flag of Aggression (USA) and imagine it as fighting for human rights. These kids are really morons. Ask Bilahari Kauskan, our regular singgapore Ambassador At Large and a confirm China hater. Even he can see the kids are dumb, only you and the other guy here can’t.

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  • topple pap S$m clan liars:

    Ghj:
    Civil wars happen in USA and France and other countries, Winner takes all. What’s the problem with that?
    The most important difference between the Chinese and Americans is that to this day the Americans won’t give up their efforts to stir wars. Where there is no tension they build tension. Pompeio recently admitted openly American do tell lies. Isn’t that terrible? What good has democracy done? It is the pentagon and military machinery and Oil agenda that drives Americans, the President is just an accessory.
    China used to like to do ideology wars but now it’s main focus is R&D and innovaton and helping nations. Yet people like you are hopelessly trapped in the 1950s version of China.
    USA cannot accept they are losing in many things. So they sabotage Huawei. Anything to drag down China will be great for USA. This is unfair tactics. Rational people should see it. Hong Kong is the perfect way to destabilize China. The children protesters are naively manipulated. They are destroying hkg. Holding the flag of Aggression (USA) and imagine it as fighting for human rights. These kids are really morons. Ask Bilahari Kauskan, our regular singgapore Ambassador At Large and a confirm China hater. Even he can see the kids are dumb, only you and the other guy here can’t.

    oui, cock. what has all this to do with toppling clown pap?

    not a single word is found which helps OPPO alliance to form New Government to look into S$m of clown pap and wife and S$m clan members. all ado about nothing. a ffffing waste of time.

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  • West Side Story:

    Ghj:
    Where there is no tension they build tension.

    Where were no nine dash lines before 1947, now China want to pick a fight with every other nation who abide by the law of the sea?

    Ghj:
    What good has democracy done?

    At least Pompeio will admit openly American do tell lies. Do you even know if China always tell the truth?

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/05/tiananmen-crackdown-30-anniversary/

    Ghj:
    China used to like to do ideology wars but now it’s main focus is R&D and innovaton and helping nations

    But can now combine ideology wars with innovation ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/apr/11/china-hi-tech-war-on-muslim-minority-xinjiang-uighurs-surveillance-face-recognition

    Ghj:
    USA cannot accept they are losing in many things

    or just Xi Jinping targets the US with his ‘China dream’

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/05/article/chinas-new-art-of-war-includes-stealing-cutting-edge-technologies/

    Ghj:
    So they sabotage Huawei. Anything to drag down China will be great for USA. This is unfair tactics

    It is also not unfair that China simply just gave them the excuse

    Article 28 of the Cybersecurity Law states that network operators, which include telecommunications companies such as Huawei, have to provide “technical support and assistance” to government offices involved in protecting national security. U.S. government officials, including at the FBI, interpreted this vague language to mean that all Chinese companies, including Huawei, are subject to the direct orders of the Chinese government.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/07/we-cant-tell-if-chinese-firms-work-for-the-party/

    Ghj:The children protesters are naively manipulated. They are destroying hkg. Holding the flag of Aggression (USA) and imagine it as fighting for human rights

    Why? Maybe they are just choosing the lesser of the 2 evils.

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/article/why-hong-kong-protestors-fly-the-american-flag/

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  • Ghj:

    You are misinformed. Do you know that America is NOT a signatory to Law of the Sea? The ownership of the islands off china is historical. Just as Singapore claims of Pedra Banca. The Court which met in Hague concerning China case, was a fake court thats why their ruling is not recognized to this date. China has no military ambitions cos it is not a mega arms dealer like USA.
    As for telling lies, let us put things on a weighing machine. The lies that Americans tell destroy ten million people that is non- Americans. The lies that China tell destroy maybe 100 people.
    All politicians are crooks. We have to see who is less evil. China wins a million to one.
    As for stealing technologies, it is clear that 5G was invented by Chinese, the American are lagging. Huawei has thousands of patents files each year. Because their RD budget is very high. American is spending their best Brain’s building new fighter aircraft and war machines!
    Yo believe the trash that HW spies using backdoor software? Europe has rejected it totally. ZERO EVIDENCE. IT IS DONALD’S IMAGINATION. However it is well known that Google and FB and even FedEx are taking American politicians orders directly. So who is the hypocrite?

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  • BK:

    Seriously man. I thought u are Chinese chauvinist. But now, I think u just pure lunatic that is Chinese.

    What a load of regurgitation that is obviously from inner Mainland caves. One might say, Plato’s cave.

    Congratulations! I’m not easily scared. But I fear for China from such lunacy!

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  • Ghj:

    Oh. It is insane to correlate ones preference of China to USA, with loving Nazi .

    Hitler was a cold blooded killer and killed 6million Jews whom he considered scum. Likewise the American forefathers killed Millions of Native Indians and stole very very huge pieces of land in the name of Christianity. Doctrine of Manifest Destiny, please Google that if you are receiving ignorant.

    I believe that all politicians tell lies as part of the job. So it is meaningless to say Communist are liars. Likewise it is meaningless to say Democracy is better than Socialist. All politicians are liars! At the end of the day you simply evaluate the cost of the lies in human lives . You also try to evaluate the good things done in the country in the last ten years. Try it yourself on various countries. Think out of the box.

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  • BK:

    https://unctad.org › DocsPDF
    Permanent Court of Arbitration – UNCTAD

    Again, just reading what Chinese MSM say. There are documents written by UN about the Permanent Court of Arbitration, yet u insist it has nothing to do with UN.

    We take u to the lake of truth. But we cannot force u to drink.

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  • Ghj:

    So when you lose an argument you declare the other party lunatic and accord him strange names. It sounds like the style of a particular Party here, character assassination.

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  • BK:

    Lol. U are the winner. I lose. Hope that helps (:

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  • mike:

    The way it goes as it goes, CN is moving towards self-destruction. Many timeline in history tells us this fact.

    When Qing drew the power of the west to help fighting Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, it was the same hand that she fight and lose to.

    When the CCP was weak and frail, it was the same skimming tactic to use the forces of the ‘rebel’ army to fight JP.

    CN is no stranger to tactics of war and lies. Victim as it may protray when it losses, just as victor may blow her trumpet when she triumphs. But it is sick to know at every instance of history there are cheerleaders such as this one here who twist and turn facts to suits the agenda.

    CN has never been great. A new world is a constant fight between the authority and the people it rules. CN will ultimately be destroyed again from within when the new emperor is frail and gone.

    One thing for sure, a strong CN is a big bully. 9-dashline is just part of the beginning we can see. Hambantota Port is just another example.

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  • Ghj:

    Wrong again. You never do your homework.
    Quote
    The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is an intergovernmental organization located at The Hague in the Netherlands. … The organization is not a United Nations agency, but the PCA is an official United Nations Observer.
    Unquote. Wikipedia.

    The court of PCAD happen to collocate in the Hague, so 90% of people thinks it is UN organisation. Why was the proper UN organization not presiding over the case? Because there is no case against China. The Intergovernmental loose organization is heavily leaned to Western powers and the judge was obviously planted, please read more widely in future and don’t believe everything the West especially CNN says.
    Today nothing is happening and Duterte is not even worried cos he understands the evil designs of Americans who massacred Filipinos in the past and pushed drugs.
    China only aim to secure the islands are to prevent Americans from planting warships in this area. Everybody is peaceful in this era but USA creates an illusion we are living in the Vietnam war era. Be a little more fair even Mahatir an old man can understand it and have no problems with China.

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  • BK:

    Lol. Plato’s cave is not calling u strange name la. OMG. Please Google.

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  • West Side Story:

    Ghj:
    Do you know that America is NOT a signatory to Law of the Sea?

    Yes. But China signed and later rectified that Law. Now try to weasel its way out to avoid abiding by decision made by the court constituted by the very same Law. Talk about hypocrite and bully.

    Ghj:
    Just as Singapore claims of Pedra Banca.

    But SG won it in a court of law.

    Nobody cares you claim the atoll or low tide reef and the 12 nautical miles of water around them. China is trying to claim the entire ocean that is the problem.

    Ghj:
    The lies that China tell destroy maybe 100 people.

    Seriously? 100 people between Tienanmen, Tibet, Xinjiang, HK, not to mention millions of your own farmers in the country side?

    Ghj:
    it is clear that 5G was invented by Chinese

    You are funny. It’s like saying the AMG is “invented” by the Germans. Without someone else invented the combustion engine, what is Mercedes?

    And how to get to 5th Generation (5G) without 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st?

    Ghj:
    Yo believe the trash that HW spies using backdoor software?

    No but don’t ever believe China’s recent National Security Law and Cybersecurity Law are trash.

    Ghj:
    However it is well known that Google and FB and even FedEx are taking American politicians orders directly.

    Yes, in a democracy country, these things are “well know” but in an autocracy country, can you even know about these things? even hypocritically?

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  • Ghj:

    Singapore won Pedra Banca case through the proper UN court and both sides presented arguments in a civilised manner. On the other hand The PCAD is not an UN organisation and it made a one sided judgement where the defendant was not even present. So the verdict is null and void.
    USA refused to join UnClos because it will face numerous lawsuits pending if it were to sign. The matter is very complicated.
    A lot of country have no problems with China claims in the south China sea. The major stakeholder Philippines see no big problem, in fact expressed displeasure of USA interference. So why do some still act hero and be little pawns of others.? Silly right?
    Fine China lies destroyed 1 million mostly locals. But my point is, comparatively USA lies killed 100million or more. Red Indians, Libyans, Syrians, Iraqis, Diego Garcia Indians….. I said before, Communist or Democrat, all politicians are liers. Please weigh them accordingly by comparison!

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    Ghj:
    So when you lose an argument you declare the other party lunatic and accord him strange names. It sounds like the style of a particular Party here, character assassination.

    What did u called @Mike? So u can call ppl names but when ppl do that to u, u cannot take it? This is typical of bullies and very common with Communist Chinese !!

    1. So u agreed that Communists did not win against Japan, u admitted that u lied, or u made fake news. In fact, your neck and your family would be under Japanese yoke if not for the US.

    So, u own a historical debt to US? If so, then according to China’s logic in the South China Sea, the US has a right to draw a 9 dash or 12 dash line in China?

    2. Did u read the document from the UN I attached for your education? If not, why not? So, what ppl liked u do, is picked lines from Wiki just to suit your racist views isnt it?

    Some more for your education, consider this similar to China’s re-education center that u have kindly given to the Uighur, that should perk u up (:

    https://unctad.org/en/Docs/edmmisc232add26_en.pdf

    https://www.un.org/depts/los/Article_287_Side_Event/PCA.pdf

    https://www.un.org/depts/los/general_assembly/contributions_2015_2/PCA_Contribution.pdf

    Of course, the fact that UN sees fit to write and spend so much time on the Permanent Court of Arbitration means it is a fake court. Tsk tsk, why need so much lies ?

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