Sharing information on migrating

Dear TRE

It would be good if you all can find some readers who are already living overseas to tell us more about easy or difficult migration was and how that particular country is like. I remembered reading about some people living in Vietnam, Canada etc.

Hope to read some articles like that and also hope to know which countries are easier to migrate to other than Canada Australia or NZ.

Personally I already applied to Canada but am hoping to see which others I can also go to if the application fails.

There is no future in Singapore and the damage here is irreversible…

 

A&A

 

 

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123 Responses to “Sharing information on migrating”

  • Devil in Sheep Skin:

    In case crazy trump lee en-bloc the entire Singaland, you need to stay original citizen to receive the payouts. So all should stay, otherwise both hands give all the islands to them.

    I asked one Paris friend why those muggers target Asian people, he replied, because Asian travelers are generally timid, want to stay out of trouble, dare not make noise, even when their pockets are picked.

    Yeap, there are no future, particularly for people like you, can’t even stay to unite to solve the basic of problems. I say, where ever you go, all will be the same for your kind.

    But on the other hand, I should be happy, because you are surely one in the 70%.!

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    Ha-ha-ha-ha! Some generalisations for you:
    CANADA:
    * Canada might be too cold in the Winter for people from the tropics;
    * Migrant’s past work experience not counted & are irrelevant to Canadian employers. You’ve gotta start from the ground up;
    * Handyman work, house repair bills can be very expensive! Need to learn to DIY & be able to change light bulb yourself;
    * Eating out also very expensive but food portions are substantial! Need to learn to cook & pack lunch for work;
    * Canadian cities are car-centric. Public transportation not very convenient especially during cold winter months. Need to keep 2 sets of tires, 1 set summer, other set winter tyres;
    * Few full-time jobs, mostly part-time work! Also, in Canada, you face a 7 month seasonal economy for work employment, but faced 5 months of lay-offs & collecting unemployment benefits during the long winter months;
    * A number end up being self-employed subcontractors providing services but still face a seasonal economy;
    * Toronto & Greater Toronto areas like Mississauga, York have the best job opportunities but housing are expensive. Away from Toronto/GTA, job opportunities decline substantially.
    * Vancouver (no industries) isn’t that great for jobs as most people living in Vancouver are either wealthy or self-funded migrants. Housing are very expensive there!
    * Montreal not for English speakers, they only speak French;
    * Cost of living is expensive in Canada. You’ll need 2 sets of clothing; one for mild weather & the other, cold weather outer coats. Winter wear can be expensive because of the insulating materials & linings; &
    * Canadians can be rather aloof! They aren’t that sociable unlike the Americans. You have to learn to break the ice yourself.

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  • Theng Sor Gua:

    Are migrating fees expensive. Australian embassy listed thousands of dollars.

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  • Try Johor Bahru:

    No need to go too far lah.

    Johor Bahru ok already.

    Have a nice house in JB, with 2 car garage. Rent out the HDB rental unit in S$ and pay for the JB house in MR. Balance more than enough for a decent life in JB without need to work. Once in a while, come back to Spore to do the essentials, such as banking or renewing of passport.

    Don’t give up that pink passport though. Need it to vote OPPO.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Come on, stop talking about migrating. Look at Hong Kong, why they protest instead of migrating. They love their country and freedom. They want the right people running it. They faced tear gas, pepper spray, police brutality, jail and rubber bullets fighting for it.

    Singaporeans are so much easier, we only need to put a cross at the right box. If we cannot do that then our balls are smaller than those of Hong Kong women. Some more we are NS-trained!!

    Do what the Malaysians did. Answer Dr. M’s question, do you have enough of this government?

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  • Left to australia:

    I migrated to australia in the late 90. however there is a new word tha cropped up in the migration topic – relocation

    relocation vs migration = Many asean countries are suitable for relocation and if u want migration which is termed as taking a citizenship or permanent residency , then western countries are better.

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  • Bapoktua And 94 jesters:

    if u are on of the 70% instead of changing yr current conditions u prefer to run away. W changing the ruling party PAP is much cheaper and hassle free through the pen and paper than migration

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  • Topple thru Ballot:

    If we really want to make the Government look after its people, the only way is to topple it…….through the ballot.

    No 1 priority is for all those who have completed national service to tell their parents, grandmas, uncles n aunties that in politics the first on the list is looking after its citizen…….just like national service.
    You fight in war for what…….to look after its people.

    However, in sg……they get into politics for ……..themselves…….to earn a $million. This is the reason for them to be in politics.

    If you want to migrate…….think carefully……..you become 2nd class or maybe even 3rd class. They thought you are from a poor 4th world country.

    The best answer……..is still regime change.

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  • Yes Rabble-rouser !:

    generally China is definitely better than Canada.

    Rabble-rouser:
    September 10, 2019 at 6:20 am (Quote)

    Ha-ha-ha-ha! Some generalisations for you:
    CANADA:
    * Canada might be too cold in the Winter for people from the tropics;
    * Migrant’s past work experience not counted & are irrelevant to Canadian employers. You’ve gotta start from the ground up;
    * Handyman work, house repair bills can be very expensive! Need to learn to DIY & be able to change light bulb yourself;
    * Eating out also very expensive but food portions are substantial! Need to learn to cook & pack lunch for work;
    * Canadian cities are car-centric. Public transportation not very convenient especially during cold winter months. Need to keep 2 sets of tires, 1 set summer, other set winter tyres;
    * Few full-time jobs, mostly part-time work! Also, in Canada, you face a 7 month seasonal economy for work employment, but faced 5 months of lay-offs & collecting unemployment benefits during the long winter months;
    * A number end up being self-employed subcontractors providing services but still face a seasonal economy;
    * Toronto & Greater Toronto areas like Mississauga, York have the best job opportunities but housing are expensive. Away from Toronto/GTA, job opportunities decline substantially.
    * Vancouver (no industries) isn’t that great for jobs as most people living in Vancouver are either wealthy or self-funded migrants. Housing are very expensive there!
    * Montreal not for English speakers, they only speak French;
    * Cost of living is expensive in Canada. You’ll need 2 sets of clothing; one for mild weather & the other, cold weather outer coats. Winter wear can be expensive because of the insulating materials & linings; &
    * Canadians can be rather aloof! They aren’t that sociable unlike the Americans. You have to learn to break the ice yourself.

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  • Harder Truths:

    All my family and next generation have migrated to UK, US and Australia. I am fifth gen $G but the last. This is the replacement pappies want so they can deal with India, Pinoy and China migrants in future.

    Firstly work – if you did not go to a school in a particular country you are in trouble. Your skills will not be assessed fairly. It is unlikely you will get a job other than those which are menial or in-need like nursing or toilet cleaner.

    Secondly – can you afford to live there when you get older? Can you pay your bills and medical costs? If you do not have a steady income you will become a sick beggar sooner or later. Some countries are very unforgiving.

    Next – Racism. Can you handle it? many countries including Australia, US & UK are openly racist, This includes the police, who may shoot you first and ask who you are later.

    Important – Crime & drugs. $G is relatively safe. Most countries are not, especially if you are staying in the poorer areas. Expect a big dose of reality

    Others – religious nuts (usually Islamic) trying to create halal-only zones. Police do not confront them or what they do.

    Then – Weather. Can you take it? Winters are rally bad in the UK and Canada. In Australia or US you can live in a temperate or tropical area – but you need the money.

    Also – food. It is not cheap like in $G. Also you have to cook everyday. Some poor people end up eating canned puppy food because they can’t afford proper food and rely on government food stamps.

    Final word – if you are migrating you need to be able to live well. If not you are f**ked. This is true everywhere. Good luck.

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    Go if you have to for the sake of your children…STAY if you need to care for your elderly…

    A GP once told me he was ready to GO but was held back as the Parents refuse to BUDGE

    A Childhood friend & a Classmate left for Canada and NEVER LOOK BACK…even when they are back for a visit they especially the children can hardly WAIT to go HOME!!! Why??? they left SinCity for good reasons and they visit to see the CHANGE??? NO!!!… to show their Kids the ILLUSION CREATED as to the Ones which are a REALTY back HOME in Toronto!!! I visited them and they have a nice Detached home with No Walls and 3 vehicles in the Garage with a Lexus and BMW plus a GM utility or station wagon as we would call it here…

    Why am I here??? pushing 80 and the twilight of Life, I would like to see a REAL CHANGE!!!… Sanity & Sanctity returning in this SinCity created by an Evil Bastard now DEAD!!!

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  • Weather report:

    Ya.
    Pls kindly share info here.

    Perth better or Melbourne ?
    Things like this.
    What aboug malaysia or taiwan?

    Very few countries sgs can go to.

    Canada like america too angmoh.
    Asian or Asia pac countries like Australia or NZ

    Would be good if emigrated sgs can share here.
    Can TRE start a forum on this.
    Thanks.

    Mod: Starting a forum is not an issue as we have a lot of server space and Techie can easily handle setting up another website to do this. The problem is moderation and I was wondering if just following up on this thread is more time saving than having another forum.

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  • Emigre:

    Rabble-rouser:
    Ha-ha-ha-ha! Some generalisations for you:
    CANADA:
    * Canada might be too cold in the Winter for people from the tropics;
    * Migrant’s past work experience not counted & are irrelevant to Canadian employers. You’ve gotta start from the ground up;
    * Handyman work, house repair bills can be very expensive! Need to learn to DIY & be able to change light bulb yourself;
    * Eating out also very expensive but food portions are substantial! Need to learn to cook & pack lunch for work;
    * Canadian cities are car-centric. Public transportation not very convenient especially during cold winter months. Need to keep 2 sets of tires, 1 set summer, other set winter tyres;
    * Few full-time jobs, mostly part-time work! Also, in Canada, you face a 7 month seasonal economy for work employment, but faced 5 months of lay-offs & collecting unemployment benefits during the long winter months;
    * A number end up being self-employed subcontractors providing services but still face a seasonal economy;
    * Toronto & Greater Toronto areas like Mississauga, York have the best job opportunities but housing are expensive. Away from Toronto/GTA, job opportunities decline substantially.
    * Vancouver (no industries) isn’t that great for jobs as most people living in Vancouver are either wealthy or self-funded migrants. Housing are very expensive there!
    * Montreal not for English speakers, they only speak French;
    * Cost of living is expensive in Canada. You’ll need 2 sets of clothing; one for mild weather & the other, cold weather outer coats. Winter wear can be expensive because of the insulating materials & linings; &
    * Canadians can be rather aloof! They aren’t that sociable unlike the Americans. You have to learn to break the ice yourself.

    Residences ( houses ) have back alleys where rubbish is collected. These can be maintained by city council ( like town council HDB ) or private contractors selected by local residents council. Both are not efficient. You will find pot holes, poor lighting, homeless people rummaging through waste bins. Drug addicts too ( depending on area )

    Your neighbours will spy on you. In winter, you have to shovel the snow off the public pavement immediately outside your home. If you dont, and if the postman, or anyone slips and fall you will be sued till your pants drop.

    Tree branches or plants that encroach your neighbours property must be chopped off.. otherwise you will receive a complaint.

    The home needs to be heated with heating oil as fuel or by electricity. Both are expensive.

    But, these things are part & parcel of life in another country. If…

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Theng Sor Gua:
    Emigration is never cheap for desirable countries! The processing fees goes into thousands of dollars (even over $10k possible using migration agents + to provide guarantee deposit via your visa sponsor to their govt).

    Those who have the money opt to use Migration Agents. The DIY option is tedious but preferable if budget is a huge concern! And it’s no small matter. BTW, no past criminal record as Police Cert are necessary!

    But if you’re retiree looking for a better life & a lower cost of living, you can go for “Silver Hair Long Stay Visa Schemes” in Indonesia, M’sia & even Thailand. Imagine getting your monthly CPF payout (after 65), then spending in Rupiah, Ringgit or Baht. Also, if got HDB flat, fully rent it out for at least $2k/Mth for 4-rm; $$2.5k/Mth for 5-rm. These goes a long way to having the “Swiss Standard of Living” promised but never delivered!

    It’s one’s choice! Either get a better life overseas or stay in S’pore & pay the high price!

    Theng Sor Gua:
    Are migrating fees expensive. Australian embassy listed thousands of dollars.

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  • Left to australia:

    Harder Truths:
    All my family and next generation have migrated to UK, US and Australia. I am fifth gen $G but the last. This is the replacement pappies want so they can deal with India, Pinoy and China migrants in future.

    Firstly work – if you did not go to a school in a particular country you are in trouble. Your skills will not be assessed fairly. It is unlikely you will get a job other than those which are menial or in-need like nursing or toilet cleaner.

    Secondly – can you afford to live there when you get older? Can you pay your bills and medical costs? If you do not have a steady income you will become a sick beggar sooner or later. Some countries are very unforgiving.

    Next – Racism. Can you handle it? many countries including Australia, US & UK are openly racist, This includes the police, who may shoot you first and ask who you are later.

    Important – Crime & drugs. $G is relatively safe. Most countries are not, especially if you are staying in the poorer areas. Expect a big dose of reality

    Others – religious nuts (usually Islamic) trying to create halal-only zones. Police do not confront them or what they do.

    Then – Weather. Can you take it? Winters are rally bad in the UK and Canada. In Australia or US you can live in a temperate or tropical area – but you need the money.

    Also – food. It is not cheap like in $G. Also you have to cook everyday. Some poor people end up eating canned puppy food because they can’t afford proper food and rely on government food stamps.

    Final word – if you are migrating you need to be able to live well. If not you are f**ked. This is true everywhere. Good luck.

    U are wrong . I live in Australia since 90s and we we do face some instances of racism but it is better than living in singapore where u are discriminated along lines of nationality. Foreigners getting a better salary than singaporeans. We dont have foreign immigrants coming to depress our wages. Our children have a good future because of the social policies system in Australia we have social security and other benefits. Raw Food is not expensive ( indeed cheaper than singapore) and we earn 2x higher than most losers in singapore island. Our cars and houses are of better value than singapore. and we own them outright and not loaned or leased to us.

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  • Harder Truths:

    Left to australia: U are wrong . I live in Australia since 90s and we we do face some instances of racism but it is better than living in singapore where u are discriminated along lines of nationality

    I was one of the first non-whites PR in Australia in 1980′s. I was in and out for 20 years as a professional. The cities are openly racist, the work places even more so. I have worked from Darwin to Alice Springs to Townsville to Perth. I have worked in more cities and places you will ever work in.

    You may stay in Australia but you have not really lived in it.

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  • Periodically:

    Actually just don’t think too much.

    Don’t let others influ you.

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  • Dr. Chan:

    Don’t Migrate(Emigrate), Just Globalize.
    I kept my Singapore Passport, got my Canadian and US Permanent Residency over 15 years ago. My wife has her Taiwanese and US Passport. I recently applied for my Taiwanese PR through my wife.
    I am licensed to practice in USA, Canada, Taiwan, Singapore.
    So depending on where the good paying jobs are, low cost of living, good medical care is, I can choose to go wherever I want.
    Never tie yourself down to one place or put all eggs in one basket.

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  • Dr. Chan:

    Cont…
    Then some people will ask what about loyalty? Well, I have given my 2 and 1/2 years to the LKY regime. I believe that is good enough. And no government in the world really care about citizens anyways, especially PAP (you die your business). So it is up to you to fend for yourself – PAP says the country doesn’t owe you anything so the opposite is true (You don’t the country anything either). Every man for themselves.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ TRE Moderator:
    Don’t bother! Doors with welcome mats are now either being tighten up or are virtually closed.

    Emigration to the USA has virtually slowed down eversince Trump took over in late 2016. Now US ICE officers are going around catching illegals & those without papers (Visa), holding them in detention centres awaiting for deportation orders. A lot of Indian Techies on Visa H-1B & their immediate families on H4 visas are sweating & fearing for their immediate futures in the US.

    Canada had stopped Investment Visas about 2 years ago. A lot of backlash from frustrated locals in Vancouver, BC & Toronto who were priced out of their own housing market by cash-rich Chinamen. Remember the daughter of Huawei boss was detained in Vancouver Airport under US orders. Now Chinamen avoid Canada because they now realized that Canada was actually a vassal state of the USA.

    Australian govt had cut immigration quotas recently. A lot of boat people called Irregular Maritime Arrivals are sweating it out in PNG detention camps with no prospects of entering Australia legally.

    Controversial Visa 457 (Temporary Visas for foreign expat workers) had virtually gone quiet. Even foreign students studying in Australia Universities are no longer able to assume that they could easily be granted PR status on onshore application. Sydney & Melbourne housing are just as overpriced as Vancouver & Toronto.

    In New Zealand, foreigners are now barred from buying NZ properties. Auckland housing are also very overpriced. And though NZ Economy is weaker than Australia’s yet the cost of living in NZ is more expensive.

    NZ very similar to Canada (except for Toronto & Montreal which are Industrialised Areas) where the landscape were predominantly either Primary Industries or Agricultural based, Pastoral Activities.

    The UK’s current problem is BREXIT. The £ had been depreciating while London properties have come off lately. But the UK is a very expensive place to live. VAT is very high & around 40% of UK’s GDP goes into providing Social Welfare handouts & into Medical services.

    The best time to emigrate were from the early 2000s till around 2016. Now it is too late!

    TRE Moderator: Mod: Starting a forum is not an issue as we have a lot of server space and Techie can easily handle setting up another website to do this. The problem is moderation and I was wondering if just following up on this thread is more time saving than having another forum.

    What do our readers think?

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Dr Chan:
    Eureka! Dr Chan, you’re absolutely spot on there.

    Be a Global Citizen & not be beholden to any govts. They just don’t care about you. You die is your business so on the same token, so long as I pay them minimal taxes, I don’t owe them a living for their political entitlements & privileges. Patriotism & Nationalistic feelings can’t feed you in your old age. Being smart is the way to go – take whatever advantages from the system & leave it to the Patriots & Nationalists to pay for their costs. You vote with your feet, not with your votes because the voting majority can be rather silly like in S’pore. Why frustrate yourself when the world is so big!

    Dr. Chan: Don’t Migrate(Emigrate), Just Globalize.
    I kept my Singapore Passport, got my Canadian and US Permanent Residency over 15 years ago. My wife has her Taiwanese and US Passport. I recently applied for my Taiwanese PR through my wife.
    I am licensed to practice in USA, Canada, Taiwan, Singapore.
    So depending on where the good paying jobs are, low cost of living, good medical care is, I can choose to go wherever I want.
    Never tie yourself down to one place or put all eggs in one basket.
    Then some people will ask what about loyalty? Well, I have given my 2 and 1/2 years to the LKY regime. I believe that is good enough. And no government in the world really care about citizens anyways, especially PAP (you die your business). So it is up to you to fend for yourself – PAP says the country doesn’t owe you anything so the opposite is true (You don’t the country anything either). Every man for themselves.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    Time waits for no man! It’s not about “running away” nor about becoming “2nd class or maybe even 3rd class” citizens. Regime change has been talked about eversince JB Jeyaretnam first won at Anson followed by Chiam See Tong at Potong Pasir. The opposition gains have been minimal at best!
    If the PAP promised a Swiss Standard of Living but never delivered. Do you stay around & moped about it, constantly b**ching it to your kakis in the Kopi-tiams or take action for yourself.
    If the pen & paper were so mighty, why is the PAP still so dominant? Why don’t you say that there are jellyfishes behind it re: no backbone to effect regime change.

    Bapoktua And 94 jesters:
    if u are on of the 70% instead of changing yr current conditions u prefer to run away. W changing the ruling party PAP is much cheaper and hassle free through the pen and paper than migration

    Topple thru Ballot: If you want to migrate…….think carefully……..you become 2nd class or maybe even 3rd class. They thought you are from a poor 4th world country.

    The best answer……..is still regime change.

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  • Watched PSP TALK FB:

    Reasons I seriously migrating :

    1. Most we talk to disapprove many policies.
    But most of these eventually voted status quo.
    This is what’s happening for decades.

    Why?

    Many is because they afraid property price plunge. Many have paid extremely high price for HDB flats , condo etc.

    It’s not because of fear or jobs.

    They understand the issues but out of self interest they voted status quo.

    They are why we are suffering.

    While watching PSP TALK on FB , I saw a chat going on and a guy kept supporting PAP. I looked up his fb and found that he is or was involved with MOTHERSHIT. And he is a investor in prolly property and currencies.

    He told his fb friend property depends on keeping pap in power.

    2. There are also many ignorant people who lack intellectual and political Sabine’s and sophistication. These are apathetic and support status quo without questioning. Hopeless case.

    3. New citizens.

    4. Those on garment payroll and related entities payroll.
    This is a big number.

    Their collective effort result in more of the same. They wont pressure for change to the status quo.

    Last but not least, it is indeed futile to expect change given the mindset of the majority.

    We want Transparency and accountability . Too idealistic. The majority are too pragmatic to be idealistic.

    The end.

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  • Anon:

    @Rabble Rouser:
    ‘But the UK is a very expensive place to live. VAT is very high & around 40% of UK’s GDP goes into providing Social Welfare handouts & into Medical services’

    Not entirely sure how you have arrived at this conclusion that U.K. is very expensive to live. First, UK does not mean only London, or even other big cities. You can always live in the countryside and commute as many do. But even in these urban places cost of everyday living is still, for the most part, lower than in Singapore – housing is comparable, cars are cheaper, essential foodstuffs in supermarkets are much cheaper than in Singapore even if you convert. I spend much more per week on my fruits alone in Singapore than in U.K, even when they are imported!

    Even when eating out, Vat is already included in the prices and you don’t always have the ++ coming with the bill!!

    As for Welfare and healthcare, when you are elderly especially, you will appreciate the free universal healthcare available. Someone I know in Singapore recently went for cataract operation. It cost her a total of $30,000! Because of some complications. Thankfully she had insurance cover and the final cash bill was about 10%. In U.K. it us completely free!!

    I live in Scotland. A lovely country with beautiful scenery and wonderful friendly, down-to-earth people who do not suffer and have a great sense of humour. Quality of life is something that has to be experienced for a proper comparison. I don’t find myself to be a second class citizen (I still hold a Singapore passport). How comfortable one feels depends on one’s capacity to be flexible and integrate into the local community.

    Moreover, in any case, Singapore with the influx of foreigners us almost ‘foreign’ to locals. When I am back, I find I have to speak in mandarin even at hawker centres. That never used to be the case. Dialects were always used.

    So, one can still be a stranger in one’s homeland.

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  • Theng Sor Gua:

    My, these info are really useful! Ya lor, Cn’t afford the thousands in fees.

    I had a friend who went australia and study and stayed on. Is migration cheaper via the study route?

    Rabble-rouser:
    @ Theng Sor Gua:
    Emigration is never cheap for desirable countries! The processing fees goes into thousands of dollars (even over $10k possible using migration agents + to provide guarantee deposit via your visa sponsor to their govt).

    Those who have the money opt to use Migration Agents. The DIY option is tedious but preferable if budget is a huge concern! And it’s no small matter. BTW, no past criminal record as Police Cert are necessary!

    But if you’re retiree looking for a better life & a lower cost of living, you can go for “Silver Hair Long Stay Visa Schemes” in Indonesia, M’sia & even Thailand. Imagine getting your monthly CPF payout (after 65), then spending in Rupiah, Ringgit or Baht. Also, if got HDB flat, fully rent it out for at least $2k/Mth for 4-rm; $$2.5k/Mth for 5-rm. These goes a long way to having the “Swiss Standard of Living” promised but never delivered!

    It’s one’s choice! Either get a better life overseas or stay in S’pore & pay the high price!

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  • Left to australia:

    Harder Truths: I was one of the first non-whites PR in Australia in 1980′s. I was in and out for 20 years as a professional. The cities are openly racist, the work places even more so. I have worked from Darwin to Alice Springs to Townsville to Perth. I have worked in more cities and places you will ever work in.

    You may stay in Australia but you have not really lived in it.

    1980s yes now its different generation and different people… i live in melbourne and i have never experienced anything of the sort u are talking about while it may be true in some remote places liek alice springs… i dont believe that u are telling the truth…even in these places there are abroginals who are non white…

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  • oxygen:

    A LOT OF GARBAGE NONSENSE have been written about real or imagined pervasive discrimination in Australia. Those who are there for a long long time and have extensive dealings and interactions with public institutions will say NO such thing.

    Just walk into any public service institutions – YOU SEE “UNITED NATIONS” INHABITED there of race representations.

    You walk now into Australian universities of higher learning which cultivates future economic futures for all its inhabitants (if the graduated with skills acquisition), YOU SEE AGAIN UNITED NATIONS representations there again.

    Here is my proof:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/amid-foreign-interference-fears-chinese-students-do-democracy-on-campus-20190814-p52h3j.html

    IF RACISM IS PERVASIVE, YOU WON’T FIND STUDENTS FROM FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH VYING OF PLACES IN AUSTRALIAN UNIVERSITIES.

    VERY SADLY, INWARD LOOKING SINKIES are NOT represented in the top 20 students’ listings and LEE-jiapore is supposedly among the richest who could afford OZ universities.

    AND LOOK AT THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM – DO THEY SAYS OR THEIR OPERATIVE RULES SAYS DENIAL OF RIGHTS TO ALL NON-ANGLO-SAXON RACE OF ACCESS?

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/australiaswh-safety-net-for-retirees-is-generous-and-comprehensive-and-complicated-2019-09-06?mod=mw_theo_homepage

    I SEE NOT!!

    SO WHERE IS THE DISCRIMINATION?

    I SAY THIS – LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR. Are you the “racist” who “SEE” everyone else as racists because you disagree with them or you are ignorant of law applications and reality prevailing?

    IF AUSTRALIA IS RACIST, EDDIE MABO WON’T HAVE WON THIS LAND RIGHTS CASE SINGLE-HANDED AGAINST THE ENTIRE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT through the legal system. He was NOT LEGALLY REPRESENTED and was only a gardener working in the University of Newcastle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Mabo

    THAT SAID, IMMIGRATION OPENS UP NEW EXPANDED FRONTIER AND OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS HOW YOU “DISCOVER” YOURSELF AND FIND A STAGE PLATFORM TO DANCE ON.

    THOSE WHO FOUND THAT STAGE WILL AGREE WITH ME.

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  • A Singaporean Son in OZ:

    So You Wanna Migrate?

    https://asingaporeanson.blogspot.com/

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  • A Singaporean Son in Canada:

    Emigrating to Canada – My personal experience

    https://sg-quitters.blogspot.com/2011/08/emigrating-to-canada-my-personal.html

    “Most immigrants from other countries have a “do or die” mentality whereas Singaporeans have a “do and try” mentality. These “failure not an option” immigrants are more willing to venture into entrepreneurship or willing to accept any jobs, white or blue collars, without hesitation.

    Singapore immigrants tend to be much more choosy and expect to be employed in middle or top management positions with the naive assumption that their credentials back home would guarantee them any position they wish.

    I have known Singapore immigrants waiting more than a year for their dream jobs. Their excuse is that they cannot downgrade otherwise they would “lose face” back in Singapore. Some even reject job offers that they considered below their qualifications and dignity.”

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  • A Singaporean Son in Japan:

    “How Much Income Tax Do You Have to Pay in Japan? There’s been a myth that Japan’s income tax is way too expensive, but the truth is, it is less expensive than commonly believed.”

    gaijinhan.com

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  • oxygen:

    IN TERMS OF WEATHER, Perth is Meditereanean (hot summer, cold drizzling winter), Sydney is nice, Melbourne is sh*thouse (can get 4 seasons in a day in summer) Newcastle is like tropical except much colder in winter than tropics, Darwin and much of northern Australia is like LEE-jiapore (hot and humid).

    In terms of economic opportunity, rural and regional Australia outside Perth, Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney, it is mainly agriculture,animal husbandry and mining tough even for natives – IF YOU ARE NOT INCLINED OF THAT, DON’T MIGRATE THERE.

    It takes a while (varying with each individual) to discover which platform stage you want to happily dance on, so don’t throw your passport so soon.

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  • A Singaporean Son in Paris:

    “There is a key difference between ignorance and racism: it is the presence or absence of malice that makes a huge difference.

    So in the case of ignorance, when I point out to the person that s/he has said something that caused offence, I usually get a groveling apology.

    But in the case of racism, the person who made the remark had the malicious intend to offend and upset me and there would be no apology forthcoming at all”.

    https://limpehft.blogspot.com/2019/05/my-insight-into-chinese-situation-in.html?q=migration

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  • Stir the market:

    Potential and able Oppositions should tackle these concerns and voters worries in their coming Election Campaigns, particularly on the majority of HDB property prices that they will not plunge and that their government will have property market experts, means and solution to stir the market accordingly, for example HDB after 99 years can be extended another 99 years by paying 1/3 of the market price. This will instantly appease their worries and HDB price speculation that instead of being eaten away, they are here to save them.

    They will nevertheless ensure public properties are made truly affordable for Singapore Citizens.

    If they can’t even identify the worries and tackle those, then they do not deserve to win.

    Watched PSP TALK FB:
    Reasons I seriously migrating :

    Last but not least, it is indeed futile to expect change given the mindset of the majority.

    We want Transparency and accountability . Too idealistic. The majority are too pragmatic to be idealistic.

    The end.

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    Rabble-rouser:
    @ TRE Moderator:
    Don’t bother! Doors with welcome mats are now either being tighten up or are virtually closed.

    Emigration to the USA has virtually slowed down eversince Trump took over in late 2016. Now US ICE officers are going around catching illegals & those without papers (Visa), holding them in detention centres awaiting for deportation orders. A lot of Indian Techies on Visa H-1B & their immediate families on H4 visas are sweating & fearing for their immediate futures in the US.

    Canada had stopped Investment Visas about 2 years ago. A lot of backlash from frustrated locals in Vancouver, BC & Toronto who were priced out of their own housing market by cash-rich Chinamen. Remember the daughter of Huawei boss was detained in Vancouver Airport under US orders. Now Chinamen avoid Canada because they now realized that Canada was actually a vassal state of the USA.

    Australian govt had cut immigration quotas recently.

    Bro, the GP I mentioned in my earlier post is looking at Australia since his parents are no longer around…finding some difficulties even as a GP most likely it is age factor 50+ I guess, never asked… call my friend in Toronto and he informed me that Toronto or Canada is lacking in Doctors and will welcome any regardless of age but Health is a factor…I told the GP and wish him luck…
    sad, even at this age he still wants to GO…never got to asking about his kids though…Financially he is OK but the stress and DisILLUSION bar the Hala Baloo of the White elephants the most recent being Jewel and God Forbid the Plans of the IDIOT is more than any sane person can take…Peace of Mind and a Land where you roam free and easy is what most Singaporeans above 50 looks forward too in retirement

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  • oxygen:

    @ Watched PSP TALK FB:

    THE NEXT GFC is GONNA WIPE OUT all those crazy cavemen and cavewomen. The world/global economy is entirely different from pre-to-post 2008 GFC.

    Even central banks are forced into a defensive corner.

    Property fanatics steep in debt will all be hanged alive.

    Watched PSP TALK FB: While watching PSP TALK on FB , I saw a chat going on and a guy kept supporting PAP. I looked up his fb and found that he is or was involved with MOTHERSHIT. And he is a investor in prolly property and currencies.

    He told his fb friend property depends on keeping pap in power.

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  • English Masturbation:

    Try Johor Bahru:
    No need to go too far lah.

    Johor Bahru ok already.

    Have a nice house in JB, with 2 car garage. Rent out the HDB rental unit in S$ and pay for the JB house in MR. Balance more than enough for a decent life in JB without need to work. Once in a while, come back to Spore to do the essentials, such as banking or renewing of passport.

    Don’t give up that pink passport though. Need it to vote OPPO.

    English is more of an Art than a science.
    This means it’s substantially ambiguous in nature even if you try to be specific.

    So, Migrate to JB?
    First define migration.

    If your definition is staying there without giving up sg citizenship, then it’s plausible idea.
    If your definition is renouncing SG citizenship then YOU WONT BE GETTING YOUR CPF OUT.

    Please call cpf if you want to clarify.

    English allows for oral masturbation.

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  • Majority are Myopic:

    There is a real need to consider an exit plan because Singaporeans mostly are unlikely to change especially as they age.

    1. Singaporeans are generally too Myopic that they lose sight ofbthe long term future. The easy choice is to keep the status quo. But they have been doing this for well over half a century.

    The result is Erosion in good governance. Singapore today has become severely lacking transparency , accountability and independence all because of this unquestioning, complacency-inducing support.

    The 70% voted the easy way, what is to them the safer way. Status quo.
    But problems remain and grown during this 53years, because the flaws remain and the people voted them without pressuring them to improve. Voting for them cannot pressure them. Being unquestioning and behaving like ostriches cannot pressure them.

    This is why the majority are Myopic.
    The let the problems grow and grow, avoiding to confront the issues.

    Their mindset is, if change has a risk to property price , then must vote status quo. This is their simple mindset without seeing far. Now they are powerless just like Terry defending law suit from man given absolute control and power and wealth.

    An Extremely selfish pragmatic people lost the foresight to improve the system by only looking at the short term and suppressing their conscience in exchange for being self-preservatory.

    The erosions in good governance will be like a boomerang will hit them one day from their behind.

    This is why the 70% contributed to the lack of transparency and erosions and are this intellectually inferior and myopic.

    Smart people squeeze the govt to deliver better and better lives for them. Self-preservatory ostriches say boh bian and hope problems will be solved by themselves.

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  • pap has the mandate:

    If you are the 70% voted for PAP, you gutless piece of shit should stay behind and sort out the shit you created.

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  • pap has the mandate:

    I only need to work for 48hrs only for the month which gives me the same salary as someone working the whole month in Singapore. Unfortunately, I will not tell you which country as I do not want gutless Stinkies living around me and I do not want Kiasu, Kiasi and Kiabo Stinkies around….LOL

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  • TruBlu:

    i think Australia is a nice place for sgs to go to if they are thinking of migrating.

    the only ang-moh country close to ‘home’.

    on the other hand,WHY ARE SO MANY SGS THINKING IN THIS LIGHT?
    WHY ARE WE ALLOWING OURSELEVS TO BE CHASED OUT OF THE COUNTRY we painstakingly built?

    we shud be CHASING THE PIG$$$ OUT OF GOVT AND INTO INDIA OR WHEREVER?
    WE SHOULD ‘REMAIN’ OR SGEXIT???

    WE OWN SINGAPORE!!!

    LET ALL GOOD SGS N GOOD OPPO SGS LISTEN!

    WE OWN SINGAPORE,WE ARE TRUE SONS AND DAUGHTESR OF THE LAND.
    ALL TRAITORS SHUD BE BANISHED!

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Anon:
    But most wannabe migrants wouldn’t want to migrate to Scotland or their big cities (Glasgow or Edinburgh). Scotland wouldn’t be in 99% of potential migrants’ target list. Conversely, London or the Greater London Area, would probably be 90% of most migrants’ considered destination.

    Pardon my thoughts but virtually any wannabe emigrant,or International students will be looking to London or at least GLA to migrate to.

    Virtually most of my relatives (cousins, nephews & nieces) whom I knew went to the UK for their studies tend to end up around Cambridge area which is approximately 80 km north of London or in the city of Oxford, which lies about 90 km north-west of London. Of course, their opinions tend to circulate around family gatherings regarding the UK. Surprisingly, none of them opted to stay behind in the UK after their studies ended.

    I had only one experience travelling to the UK & that unfortunately, was in London a few decades ago. Of course, then the £ was over 3x of the SG$. VAT was especially high compared to, say, the US or Canada. Of course, I’m generalising here because various US States & Canadian Provinces have different Sales Tax rates but the UK VAT was the highest I’ve experienced.

    And the London underground was an unique riding experience in one of the oldest MRT system in the world, to say the least. The other would be the NYC Metro system which would be equally as old.

    Cataract operations are not that expensive in S’pore. Unless that person you know specifically opted to use a Specialist eye doctor & he/she uses the Private Hospital system for the simple eye procedure. But SG$30k sounds very silly! The usual route to take is Polyclinic referral, Govt Hospital operation & that’s it!

    FYI, the current S’pore Medishield insurance scheme cover a high percentage of hospitalisation bills within the Public Hospital system.

    Even Boris Johnson was rumoured to look at S’pore system to emulate for Post-Brexit UK.
    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/08/16/boris-johnsons-real-agenda-the-singapore-scenario/

    Anon: First, UK does not mean only London, or even other big cities.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Left to Australia:
    A lot of (Big) Aussie cities’ suburbs have a huge Asian influence & in some suburbs, Asian residents are as many as the Whites that they are no longer distinguishable from any Asian city or suburb.

    The difference is remarkable! There had been a huge migration intake of Asians over the last 2 decades. Also, the Vietnamese are becoming more prominent in certain businesses & trades eg, Fruit/vegetable trade, Vietnamese restaurant operators, Nail palours, Asian groceries, etc.

    The incoming mainland Chinese dominate with An-mor (Chinese massage) & mobile phone accessories in the strip malls & inside shopping malls. S’pore/M’sian cuisines are easily available in Australia. Even the Bak-Kwa which is banned from coming in, is now widely available in Australia!

    Left to australia: 1980s yes now its different generation and different people… i live in melbourne and i have never experienced anything of the sort u are talking about while it may be true in some remote places liek alice springs… i dont believe that u are telling the truth…even in these places there are abroginals who are non white…

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  • Theng Sor Hai:

    Don’t see why you should. My personal experience is that Sinkies/Malaysians go whichever the wind blows. That means they just turn on you if they need to.

    People I considered good friends start feeling thretened if I want to work in the same industry as them.

    Sinkies are forever looking for others to make the first move. Like nobody buys from this hawker. When I do, a queue starts to form. CANNOT think for themselves.

    There’s also this culture of – I must think the same, act the same, dress the same, work same hours etc as everybody else.

    pap has the mandate:
    I only need to work for 48hrs only for the month which gives me the same salary as someone working the whole month in Singapore. Unfortunately, I will not tell you which country as I do not want gutless Stinkies living around me and I do not want Kiasu, Kiasi and Kiabo Stinkies around….LOL

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  • Theng Sor Hai:

    Even in Camden Medical Center, cataract op cost about $5000. I heard someone paid $8K and a special vehicle came to fetch her at her home on day of operation.

    Anon:

    As for Welfare and healthcare, when you are elderly especially, you will appreciate the free universal healthcare available. Someone I know in Singapore recently went for cataract operation. It cost her a total of $30,000

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  • What they think of Sg:

    Given what that link says about Singapore (copied below), the British will not be that stupid to vote for the Singapore system. Only the half-informed, knowing half the truth, think that Singapore is a great system.

    In Johnson’s eyes and those of fellow ardent free-marketeers, a ‘Singapore scenario’ would be achieved by an ultra-business-friendly environment with low or zero corporation tax, low wages, weak trade unions, vestigial welfare provisions and a significant temporary migrant ‘non-citizen’ workforce (around 30 per cent of the total workforce), largely without the protection of national labour laws or access to welfare provisions.

    Furthermore, the Singaporean economy, while ranking second in the World Bank index of 190 countries in terms of ‘ease of doing business’ (pro-business regulation), is also accompanied by powerful regulatory social controls and an extensive system of government patronage (Trading Economics, 2019).

    Social inequalities in Singapore are rising. A recent review of 157 countries in terms of commitment to reducing inequalities ranked Singapore overall at 149, among the 10 worst performers, and at 157 in terms of redistributive progressivity of tax policies (Development Finance International and Oxfam Report, 2018).

    ‘On labour, it (Singapore) has no equal pay or non-discrimination laws for women; its laws on both rape and sexual harassment are inadequate; and there is no minimum wage, except for cleaners and security guards’. As a prescription for a post-Brexit labour market, a ‘Singapore scenario’ leaves a lot to be desired.

    Rabble-rouser: Even Boris Johnson was rumoured to look at S’pore system to emulate for Post-Brexit UK.
    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/08/16/boris-johnsons-real-agenda-the-singapore-scenario/

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  • Learn To Stand Up:

    Harder Truths:
    All my family and next generation have migrated to UK, US and Australia. I am fifth gen $G but the last. This is the replacement pappies want so they can deal with India, Pinoy and China migrants in future.

    Firstly work – if you did not go to a school in a particular country you are in trouble. Your skills will not be assessed fairly. It is unlikely you will get a job other than those which are menial or in-need like nursing or toilet cleaner.

    Secondly – can you afford to live there when you get older? Can you pay your bills and medical costs? If you do not have a steady income you will become a sick beggar sooner or later. Some countries are very unforgiving.

    Next – Racism. Can you handle it? many countries including Australia, US & UK are openly racist, This includes the police, who may shoot you first and ask who you are later.

    Important – Crime & drugs. $G is relatively safe. Most countries are not, especially if you are staying in the poorer areas. Expect a big dose of reality

    Others – religious nuts (usually Islamic) trying to create halal-only zones. Police do not confront them or what they do.

    Then – Weather. Can you take it? Winters are rally bad in the UK and Canada. In Australia or US you can live in a temperate or tropical area – but you need the money.

    Also – food. It is not cheap like in $G. Also you have to cook everyday. Some poor people end up eating canned puppy food because they can’t afford proper food and rely on government food stamps.

    Final word – if you are migrating you need to be able to live well. If not you are f**ked. This is true everywhere. Good luck.

    Do the right thing and solve the problem.
    You just have to vote right and kick out the greedy regime.
    If you can’t even do this right, no country in western democracy is suitable for you.
    Otherwise just resign and live like a sucker.

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  • Dafts Will Be Dafts:

    Whether you want to stay or out is already decided by you and your action.

    Plenty of talk is useless, just like this useless article asking for personal experience, which already says plenty, no one experience will be the same and it’s an individual decision.

    There are plenty of official migration information in the internet and is getting selective as each country moderates her needs.

    To adapt well in a new place you will have to sort out the things yourselves, learn to grow a spine and grow your balls, but isn’t that the same for stayers as well?

    You now see a problem at this Sillyplace caused by greedy pigs, where are you spines and balls to kick out this despotic regime??
    If you cannot vote right than you are not suitable to move, which is a much easier thing to do than uprooting.

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  • The Old Man's Playbook:

    The “Singapore system” is the akin to the Chinese communist party dictatorship in western business suit.
    Extreme greed, absolute hypocrisy, master of falsehoods and manipulations for absolute power and to stay in power.
    Dimwits like BJohn are easily hoodwinked.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Rabble-rouser:
    Ha-ha-ha-ha! Some generalisations for you:
    CANADA:

    * Canadians can be rather aloof! They aren’t that sociable unlike the Americans. You have to learn to break the ice yourself.

    @Rabble-rouser, most of the points I would agree, although you’re on point that these are just generalisations.

    I would only point out your last one on Canadians being aloof, which I find not congruent at least according to my own experience. Canadians (the white ones) are generally not aloof. Wait till you talk to the typical German.

    However, I suspect the reasons why Asians may find them aloof is due partly to the skin of your color. If you are white Caucasian, the Canadians would likely be more warm to your presence. Again, these are generalizations and does not speak to all white Canadians.

    The same concept applies in Singapore. Do you think the Indians will find Chinese aloof? Likely so, due to difference in language, cultural norms and of course tinged with some racial biases.

    And lets no kid ourselves here, racial bias will ALWAYS be around whether you go to Canada, Australia, UK or even China. Let’s say you are a Malay family and try to migrate to Taiwan, then you will definitely also face some level of discrimination, or you may find the Taiwanese “aloof” (and which from my own personal experience, the Taiwanese are very warm people but that could be because I am Chinese by descent so same skin color has an effect yes? Ha!)

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    NotMyProblem:
    Come on, stop talking about migrating. Look at Hong Kong, why they protest instead of migrating. They love their country and freedom. They want the right people running it. They faced tear gas, pepper spray, police brutality, jail and rubber bullets fighting for it.

    Singaporeans are so much easier, we only need to put a cross at the right box. If we cannot do that then our balls are smaller than those of Hong Kong women. Some more we are NS-trained!!

    Do what the Malaysians did. Answer Dr. M’s question, do you have enough of this government?

    Totally agree with you.

    I got my Australian PR years back. For those who are interested in down-under, I did all the paperwork and admin myself without going through those silly migration advisors trying to make money of you. All in, I spent probably less than $600 with wait time of about 6 mths to get my PR, but that was back then.

    The point system still favors youth and skill sets that they require. If you’re over 40s, then your chances are generally much lower. I would assume its the same for H1B1 visas to the US.

    The point is either you have very high skills or very much money with you; otherwise wherever you go won’t make you happy.

    Those who lived overseas for some time will know that outwardly, white countries are very politically-correct, so if you’re with polite company, you won’t feel any discrimination at all, but I can assure you that when it comes time for promotions or where politics is involved, you can be damn sure they will call you names behind your back.

    I don’t blame the Caucasians in this respect,… I mean doesn’t multi-racial Singapore also play political games with other races (e.g. some Indian who turned into a Malay) but of course, outwardly, our institutions has to have a PC (politically-correct) front portrayed as being impartial and blind to color. Wait till we get a non-Chinese as PM with real political power in Singapore, then we can perhaps pride ourselves as truly blind to color yes?

    Thats why I say those who claim that Western countries are ‘color-blind’ are NAIVE to say the least.
    No country (even USA with a former Black President) is ever 100% ‘color-blind’. I would say Singapore back in the 70s was in the “sweet-spot” but we have since lost our mojo.

    If you have very high skills or very much money, then fine. Go and make the best of your life wherever you want.

    Alternatively, make your stand where you are for yourself.
    Exercise your democratic vote just like the Msians did.
    Hong Kongers have no vote, so they have no choice.
    We have… so make it count.

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  • Left to australia:

    oxygen:
    A LOT OF GARBAGE NONSENSE have been written about real or imagined pervasive discrimination in Australia. Those who are there for a long long time and have extensive dealings and interactions with public institutions will say NO such thing.

    VERY SADLY, INWARD LOOKING SINKIES are NOT represented in the top 20 students’ listings

    I SAY THIS – LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR. Are you the “racist” who “SEE” everyone else as racists because you disagree with them or you are ignorant of law applications and reality prevailing?

    I agree with u the shithead racial superiority sinkie losers who racists themselves to minorities in singapore will see themselves put in the same situation = imagined fear of getting the same treatment as the one they dished out to others.

    sadly loser sinkie superiority complex shit parents who sent their children to aussie universities need to sell off their HDB to finance their education. where is yr superiority complex now. While the MIW may treat u well the rest of the world will fck u. Its time u leave that stinking well called singapore and see the world for yrself.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    Bro, simple reason, lah! Again just some generalisations & never racist comments.

    Of all the non-White ethnic groups, the Whites find Asians especially those “pesky” Chinese immigrants, the most threatening to them!

    Why? It is because the Chinese migrants:
    * tend to be very academically inclined;
    * tend to be very industrious & hard-working; &
    * very effective in capital accumulation & in wealth achievements.

    In the West, nearly all the top percentile of academic achievers are Asians especially of Chinese ethnicity.

    Even Harvard admitted to imposing an ethnic quota on Asian students because of “disproportionate” representation in their student mix.

    And much of North Asia’s dominance in Global high tech consumer electronics began with the Taiwanese PhDs & Electrical engineers who studied in the US, later worked in Silicon Valley for Big Tech firms like Intel, Texas Instruments & Hewlett-Packard Et al & in smaller Semiconductor companies.

    But many found a glass ceiling at the top, there was always an Ole White Boy’s Club occupying the top Corporate Suite based on networking & relationship, never on merit nor achievements.

    And when the Taiwanese govt came calling in the 1980s to entice those “Taiwanese-at-heart” US Professionals to their Hsinchu Science Park, the rest as they say was history!
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsinchu_Science_Park

    But the PAP never learnt from this Taiwanese govt’s shrewd economic “Kickstarter” initiative but continue to hurdle down the path of their “inbred” Meritocratic system. That’s why S’pore is failing, very badly! S’pore’s “mindset” isn’t attuned to Global trends nor towards Entrepreneurship (job-centric view & conditioning). The PAP govt tend to see things as either black or white – locals who migrated are never welcomed back re: Kevin Kwan of Crazy Rich Asians fame.

    But of course, not all Chinese fit into that category, there will be “Westernised” Orientals who behave like the Whites especially the successive generations which are degratorily called ABCs (American, Australian-Born-Chinese) or CBCs (Canadian-Born-Chinese) or the “Bananas”

    The Whites had occupied the top tier of the race hierarchy for a long time.

    - Cont’d -

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: However, I suspect the reasons why Asians may find them aloof is due partly to the skin of your color. If you are white Caucasian, the Canadians would likely be more warm to your presence. Again, these are generalizations and does not speak to all white Canadians.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    - Cont’d -
    The White dominance came about because of one Chinese invention, the gunpowder! But the Chinese never exploited their chemical formulation (use it for fireworks instead) but the Whites took it & ominously developed the gun & armaments for World domination.

    The rest was history but when you look back, it came at a great cost to civilization re: the great wars re: WW1, WW2, conflicts & massacres, colonial domination of Latin America by the Spanish Conquistadors, to annexation of US Plain Indians’ territories & in Australia from their Indigenous peoples, to Colonization of Asia & Africa including the Middle-East. All these came from Gunpowder diplomacy.

    But using guns & weapons to enforce one-sided trade treaties & to exert territorial dominance can’t work forever!

    The Chinese propensity for rapid learning, survival instincts kicking in – trading, bartering, street hawking, etc & the innate coping mechanism ie. alway saving for a rainy day. These mechanisms are better than gunpowder re: China’s BRI vs US Militarism & incursions.

    Look at the Overseas Chinese in Asia regions today. Collectively, they controlled almost 80% of wealth for most of Asian economies where they are the minority.

    Now with the rise of China, the future for the Whites are even more confronting & scary – they stand to lose their “High & Mighty” Status as the Paramount Race in the World going forward. White Supremacy, my foot! The only words from them are through gun barrels!

    Already Westerners travelling through Asia are now called “Beg-Packers” as they resort to panhandling from locals for their travels – spending proceeds on booze & on recreational drugs. Lately, druggy, boozy & misbehaving uncultured Western idiots were being parade to shame them like common criminals on the media.

    Even their own Western govts have began refusing to get directly involved with these misbehaving “bogans”. In the US, open defecation by homeless people have become a serious epidemic.

    Already their governmental & social structures are collapsing. Watch their Democratic Parliamentary proceedings on TV, it’s full of “hot air” & politicians bantering to the public for re-election purpose to retain their politicians’ entitlements & privileges. What else?

    The Global Chinese, threatened the Whites because:
    1. Chinese kids, in general, outperform theirs in schools & unis;
    2. Chinese tend to live in expensive to relatively unaffordable (to Whites) neighbourhoods;
    3. Chinese change their cars like changing clothes, alway the newest cars on the block; &
    4. The Chinese rarely get laid off or retrenched because they are either own boss or find employment in the family business…

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    Like the White Supremacist movement that was partially involved with Trump’s election success in 2016 (typically from Southern, Rust-belt, Redneck woods & semi-rural regions as Hillary Clinton took all the coastal cities & areas). Politics (or more precisely, voting %) is a numbers game & Trump played it beautifully with his message of “Blame-shifting”!

    In S’pore, there is a “Chinese Privilege” or more succinctly, the “Channel Eight’ers” from the Heartlands. Do your sums, you’ll find that the GE majority voting percentages correlate directly to Heartland major racial population percentage.

    It’s a no-brainer! That is why you’ll see the bulk of MediaCorp’s spending on Channel 8 programmes, not on Channel 5 when English is supposed to be on equal standing with Mother tongue languages. The rest no need to say!

    The answer is S’pore is a majority Chinese oasis in a sea of Chinese minority within the greater region. There is an innate fear of persecution complex within the mindset of the “Channel Eight’ers”. Like Trump, PAP plays a % game appealing to the “Channel Eight’ers” during GEs.

    In the early 1990s after SDP took 3 parliamentary seats, the PAP went on their Asset Enhancement program with HDB Main Upgrading Program at considerable costs (of course, not to them but using HDB surpluses). The next election, they took back 2 seats back from SDP. And you can see the emphasis!

    If anyone talks about migration possibilities in S’pore, the English speaker would say, “Go for it!” whereas the Chinese speaker would say, “Why would you want to be a 2nd class citizen?” And that speaks a lot!

    But increasingly, PAP have bred out S’pore’s trading instincts, the early entrepreneurial spirit which defines the towkays of the day re: Tan Kah Kee, Lee Kong Chian (OCBC), Loke Wan Tho (Cathay), Shaw Brothers, Aw Brothers (Tiger Balm), etc. In its place was the faceless & soul-less GLCs manned by products of PAP’s own “Meritocracy” Policy. Meritocracy or rather, Mediocrity, you decide!

    The incoming GE issue is a mathematical problem! It is whether the fear of voting for the opposition which may harm the “Chinese Privilege” or the increasing pain from a declining Economic eco-system re: Local joblessness, Employers’ Foreigners preference, high cost of living Et al. Cut out the emotion, it becomes a voting math equation!

    And Time waits for no man! Either migrate or wait forever for a change in voters’ mentality. Again, that is a mathematical problem only one can solve alone! Don’t seek comfort in crowds.

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  • Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser:

    Chinese is not just China.

    “Global Chinese” does not “threatened the Whites”, only China, China Chinese and their ways, are causing most of the recent disquiet in the world.

    Your own Hong Kong “Chinese” does not identify with you and want to get far far away from you.

    Your own neighbour, Taiwan “Chinese” does not identify with you and want you to stay far far away.

    You want “Global Chinese” to only identify with China or China Chinese? Please lah !!

    ABCs, CBCs, “Bananas” derogatory? Then when you are outside of China, please tell people you are actually China Chinese, do the rest a favour and don’t spoil market.

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  • This one sure can talk cock:

    Rabble-rouser:
    The White dominance came about because of one Chinese invention, the gunpowder! But the Chinese never exploited their chemical formulation (use it for fireworks instead) but the Whites took it & ominously developed the gun & armaments for World domination.

    China Chinese never exploited their chemical formulation because China Chinese is a peace loving docile race that spent 5000 years playing musical instrument, chess games, reading and calligraphy?

    Who invented the “Fire Lance” in the 10th century?

    What did the Song garrisons used in the Siege of De’an against the Jin dynasty?

    Who improved the “fire lance” into “handgonne” that was widely used in warfare in 12-13th century China?

    Who made “The Heilongjiang hand cannon” that has been dated to no later than 1288?

    Whereas the earliest reliable evidence of handgonne in Europe appeared in 1326.

    “use it for fireworks instead”?????? What a cock !

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  • rukidding:

    Just get rid of those P.a.p ( Pimps and prostitutes)

    As long as they are in control or remain in control….you will be “pimped”, “raped” or “fcuked” !

    Join hands and “kick these fcukers out”….no need migrate.

    Sent all these “bastards and blood suckers” out is better !

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  • Haigen-Diaz:

    Rabble-rouser: Now with the rise of China, the future for the Whites are even more confronting & scary – they stand to lose their “High & Mighty” Status as the Paramount Race in the World going forward. White Supremacy, my foot! The only words from them are through gun barrels!

    @ Rabble-rouser. Bro, A well-deserved lecture and admonishment on white supremacy!

    I would suggest that in order to be a white supremacist one has to have an intellectual foundation – no matter how weak or ludicrous – to support that position. It might be spurious genetics or appeals to phony injunction but one need some sort of lame justification for that position.

    The term “white supremacist” suggests something more than racist. White supremacists aren’t just prejudiced but actively hateful, and believed that other races are a burden on whites and so they demand vengeful mistreatment of other races. If you ask a white supremacist if he hates other races, the answer is yes. If he loves the type of supremo leadership in N.Korea, yes!

    In our ethnocentric world almost everyone believes that their tribe is better that the guys who live across the river or on the other side of the mountain. Such private beliefs are OK as long as you do not have the power to enforce them on those you denigrate. This attitude is reflected in the pursuit of global imperialism, which is another way the racism issue is “a can kicked down the road.” Except of course, for those across seas & expanses, who feel the brunt of that aspect of exploitation.

    There are a great many mean human beings out there, including white supremacists, who are as mean to others as they are to people of color. And that’s the problem: bigots don’t see bigotry within themselves.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser:
    IBs have all come out to play in TRE creating havoc but providing no value added in the process of constructive argument!

    From a White Man’s perspective, a Chinese is a Chinese irregardless of where he or she comes from!

    Remember during the US-North Korea Peace talks in S’pore, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo thought that S’pore was part of M’sia. In the US, some Americans even think that S’pore is part of China! Ha-ha-ha-ha!

    You’re just splitting hairs about HK & Taiwan Chinese vs China Chinese which isn’t what this article is about.

    Read my comments carefully before you shoot off like a silly idiot causing a lot of noise but no sense in your arguments.

    BTW did I step on your tail?

    Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser:
    Chinese is not just China.

    “Global Chinese” does not “threatened the Whites”, only China, China Chinese and their ways, are causing most of the recent disquiet in the world.

    Your own Hong Kong “Chinese” does not identify with you and want to get far far away from you.

    Your own neighbour, Taiwan “Chinese” does not identify with you and want you to stay far far away.

    You want “Global Chinese” to only identify with China or China Chinese? Please lah !!

    ABCs, CBCs, “Bananas” derogatory? Then when you are outside of China, please tell people you are actually China Chinese, do the rest a favour and don’t spoil market.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ This one sure can talk cock:
    Your history lesson of China’s “Fire-lance” & handgonne didn’t highlight any supremacy of China’s gunpowder discovery towards weaponization at all. All hot air but where’s the beef? All your irrelevant facts that amounts to no substance in your arguments. Whose the one whose talking cock?

    The West took it, improve on it with advancements in metallurgy to stop the gun from exploding in the firer’s face. The Nobel Peace Prize given out by Nobel Industries was because they made a lot of monies selling arms to create wars. They gave back something to fund the Peace Prize because they became aware of the horrors of war that their production of guns had caused to the world!

    The power of the gun was what enable the West to grow rich & powerful. This was the Gunpowder Diplomacy I was talking about. Behind the facade of democracy & human rights, the reality was that the West use their superior firepower in creating the world to do it’s bidding & to control.

    And China sat back after discovering gunpowder, did nothing with it. It was the West who took it the furthest to dominate the world. What else do you not know? Your history lesson is pathetically weak!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Left to australia

    YES, MIGRATION SUCCESS OR FAILURE IS MUCH MORE OF DISCOVERING YOURSELF in a new environment than harboring imaginary discrimination waiting to ambush.

    Left to australia: I agree with u the shithead racial superiority sinkie losers who racists themselves to minorities in singapore will see themselves put in the same situation = imagined fear of getting the same treatment as the one they dished out to others

    One has to ask questions with these two sample experiences.

    WHO BOUGHT DAVID TEOH’s mouse mats which started his career to blooming success?

    The Age.co m.au: Teoh is widely considered a success story in Australian telecommunications. He started the business selling mouse mats out of a suitcase after emigrating to Australia from Malaysia in 1986 and was the key figure responsible for building TPG into a $6.5 billion telco competitor.

    https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/inside-fortress-tpg-and-myth-of-its-legendary-boss-david-teoh-20190913-p52r1y.html

    HARMANIS FISH sold from the back of his caravan on a beach?

    Remember he is a Greek lawyer.

    The University of Western Australia :To make ends meet, Harmanis spent weekends selling seafood from a caravan at Leighton Beach. ‘My parents used to come down and hang around and tell everyone, “He doesn’t need to do this you know, he’s a lawyer”… and I was having the time of my life…..In 1987 – eight years after leaving the bar – Harmanis floated Sir Samuel Mines and Jubilee Gold Mines on the Australian Stock Exchange. The latter floating took place just three days after Black Monday. Despite this, the floats were successful and in 1991 the two companies merged, later being renamed Jubilee Mines NL………In 2007-08, Jubilee Mines was bought by Xstrata for $3.1 billion, leaving Harmanis with a large profit.

    http://www.news.uwa.edu.au/201203264468/events/kerry-harmanis-miner-meditator-and-mandolin-player

    IT IS A CASE OF LAWYER TURNED FISH MONGER THEN MINER ENTREPRENEUR.

    What real or imagined discrimination stopped David Teoh or Kerry Harmanis??

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  • George:

    Khaw BW and Tan CJ has caused irreversible damage to Singapore, VOTE THEM OUT !

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Haigen-Diaz:
    When Trump stated that he wanted to “Make America Great Again” & to reshore Industries back to the US. I began to see a lot of (racial undertones) Paradoxes with Trump’s ideals. Trump underneath his orange skin is a closet-White Supremacist at heart.

    He can’t handle the thought that China’s ascension near to the top of the economic ladder that came at USA’s expense. Much like Japan’s ascension in the 1980s which the Western bloc conspired to bring them down a notch. Japan had since endured nearly 4 decades of Economic Malaise.

    But the Japanese were virtual pariah in the Asian sphere – Asians hated them more for their wartime atrocities than the Westerners who liberated Asia from the Japanese.

    The thing that was appalling was Trump wants the clock to be wound back to the US dominance era where they virtually dictated to the world & everybody had to listen!

    Western imperialism were always present in one form or another. From territorial conquest & subjugation; to colonial administration; & to the current method of financial subjugation. The Whites always thought that they had the mandate to rule!

    Example of Financial Subjugation:
    1. 1995 BARINGS BANK COLLAPSE.
    Barings top executives conspired to use SIMEX & Osaka futures markets to churn out “profits” from far-flung Asian financial centre to reward themselves executive bonuses meeting KPIs.
    BARINGS own domestic market was still reeling from 1992 Black Wednesday where the £ was forced out from from the ERM.
    Nick Leeson was just a Mgmt Patsy, termed a “Rogue Trader” by the Media. But the gnawing question being how did he managed to get mgmt authorisation to handle trades way beyond the bank’s capitalisation?
    Asia paid the bills from Baring’s collapse. SIMEX was restructured into a new entity called SGX.
    2. 1998 ASIA FINANCIAL CRISIS.
    A Western concerted effort to financially subjugate Asia into World Bank & IMF administration – World Bank/IMF were Western controlled institutions. Korea, Thailand & Indonesia fell into IMF Administration but M’sia (Dr Mahathir) & HK (Donald Tsang) who fought back the faceless hordes. Plus the 1998 Long Term Management investment debacle in Russia helped stretched their resources thin.
    3. 2008 GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS.
    Self inflicted mortgage fraud scheme which nearly brought down the entire World Financial System. Lehman Brothers & Merrill Lynch both collapsed in the GFC “intentionally” sold toxic structured investments to cash-flushed Asian investors – HK, S’pore & Taiwan.

    To be frank, most Asians can’t think broadly & laterally because of Asian cultural traits of obedience & conformist attitudes. Asians lose out to Westerners in that regard!

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  • blueview:

    Listen up everyone to the REALITY on migrating from 2019 forward: I’ve been living in a well known western country for 13 years now. So just my 2 cents.

    Those professionals and non-professionals who have migrated to Western countries in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and even early 90s have benefited HUGELY. I mean really put down their roots, bought ancestral homes, raised families and have a huge family and social networks. If you talk to this group of people or someone from this line of people, you will hear mostly good things about migration and it really was good. During these times, the western countries offered extremely good and generous social and welfare benefits or they found many opportunities to generate wealth. However, this is well in the PAST.

    In today’s world, the cities, places and countries that the previous migrants have set up their lives are NO LONGER easily attainable due cost of living, high rentals, home prices skyrocketing…..YES even in the majority of English speaking countries property prices have gone up so much that even their own citizens cannot afford to buy. There are home buyers making videos to bid for the property and why the seller should sell it to them and not the others….can you believe that? And this country has a couple of world class cities.

    Also, today’s generation is faced with shrinking pool of good jobs with huge competition. Majority of the youngsters are being helped A LOT by their parents, doesn’t matter Caucasians or Asians or Blacks. Parents and grandparents are helping A LOT to give the younger ones some foundation. Many parents and grandparents are leaving behind their assets to their families.

    You can still migrate to these countries but there are many challenges. Whatever your occupation that you will be doing in your adopted country, think out of the box to make a living and progress step by step. Those who have migrated in the 30s, 40s, etc. took a couple to few generations to stabilize themselves. They had different challenges back then.

    I’m not telling anyone not to migrate but today’s migration experience is a different one, i.e. doesn’t mean you are educated you’ll get a high paying jobs which are getting fewer and fewer in every country on the planet, not just in western countries. Also, some of the comments in this article about challenges that migrants faces are 99% true.

    THIS IS THE REALITY! Wishing you the best and good luck!

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  • This one sure can talk cock:

    Rabble-rouser:
    And China sat back after discovering gunpowder, did nothing with it

    China spent 300-400 years improving the use of gunpowder in warfare. Just happened that the Arabs and Europeans were better in metallurgy, just like when Mr Teng had no choice but to open China up to Western investment and technology in the 70s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gunpowder.

    Rabble-rouser:
    This was the Gunpowder Diplomacy I was talking about.

    Rabble-rouser:
    But the Chinese never exploited their chemical formulation (use it for fireworks instead)

    “Gunpowder Diplomacy”??? the same cock smoking the “fireworks instead”???

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  • Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser:

    2 Million HK Chinese came out to march in the streets, thousands more doing it week after week, just to “split hair” with China Chinese?

    Billions of $$ spent on fighter jets, tanks, missiles across the strait just to “split hair” with China Chinese?

    Rabble-rouserYou’re just splitting hairs about HK & Taiwan Chinese vs China Chinese which isn’t what this article is about.

    Rabble-rouserFrom a White Man’s perspective, a Chinese is a Chinese irregardless of where he or she comes from!

    Isn’t that a good reason for Singapore Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, South East Asia Chinese and none China Chinese and those who migrated all over the world to always work hard to reject and differentiate themselves from being labelled as China Chinese?

    Btw, is not about stepping on tails but exposing yours.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ This one sure can talk cock:
    History speaks for itself! You can rebut me all you want! But can you rebut history? I don’t think so!

    And the facts remained the same irregardless of your pathetic arguments to no avail.

    Arguing until your Chinese gunpowder theory explodes in yer face but all it does is expose you as the same cock smoking the “fireworks” instead of me. How ironic!

    @ Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser:
    Forever still splitting hairs or even plucking for ingrown hairs! “Ingrown” mentality!

    All it does is to show your sorry state of mind which I suspect that you’ve never traveled far in your pathetic lifetime! Probably never to the West!

    When Chinese are a minority in the West, irregardless of whether you’re Singapore Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, South East Asia Chinese, Taiwan or China Chinese, you still identify yourself as one single ethnic grouping!

    Politics isn’t a social hinderence when you’re overseas. There’s no “Divide & Rule” mechanism. In the West, Chinatown isn’t subdivided into Little S’pore, Little M’sia, Little Taiwan, etc. It’s all in your sorry state of mind!

    Dunno what you’ve been smoking but I think you should see a psychologist for Schizophrenia or worse, multiple split personalities.

    PS. “This one sure can talk cock” & “Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser” – same person, different handle. Trying to earn $1/post combining 2 split personality instead of one which can only earn 50 cents/post.

    C’mon – Even with 2 handles, Rabble-rouser isn’t afraid of you. Bring it on!

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  • Haigen-Diaz:

    Rabble-rouser: Western imperialism were always present in one form or another. From territorial conquest & subjugation; to colonial administration; & to the current method of financial subjugation. The Whites always thought that they had the mandate to rule!

    @ Rabble-rouser
    Thanks for exposing the imperialist’s history for what it is! It would not be wrong to say that most of the world’s current geopolitical problems (including racism) are due to Western, mainly British, imperialism that exploited divide and rule policies (mostly based on religion and race) in each and every country it once ruled.

    More importantly, despite of looting more than one third of the world for its resources, British government and its rulers, aka “Aristocrats” did not learn much about how to create wealth by themselves. That’s why Britain never achieved even fraction of its glory as it once had during those great old days of British Raj when even a lumpen, or a drunkard, unemployed pommy youth lying on the streets of London used to be recruited to enjoy rather a lavish life in one of its colonies as a British civil servant, or a soldier, with a big house (if not a palace or a bungalow), servants, and power to rule over the native people (including women without getting married- as per strict British rule that promoted racism and prevented even civil minded Britishers to give legal status of their love and relationship with native people).

    While the French were no better, presenting their own imperial ambitions to control trade routes and resources under the rubric of a “mission civilisatrice” toward its backward colonial populations, they did at least have their traditional British enemy accurately pegged as “perfidious Albion.” “Might makes right” and “divide and conquer” were not invented by either the British or French, they simply adopted these age-old concepts. Before them the Spanish and Portuguese used similar tactics in their empire building. And this was far from a Eurocentric concept.

    All colonial powers eventually go down this same path. The United States narrowly avoided one part of the British equation but fell prey to an abject potus. Chinese and Russian strategies have been very effective to date, and the US may be very surprised to find itself as a mighty midget in a few years, well armed, in debt, and surrounded by trading partners who no longer grant credit.

    Even today, many pommies still think that they were out to save the world during their brutal colonialism period. And Churchill is portrayed as some sophisticated statesman. Both colonial history and its leaders need to be exposed for what they were…

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Haigen-Diaz:
    How ironic! The Barings Bank rogue trader, Nick Leeson was exactly what you just described. Not even an university graduate, Leeson worked as a lowly backroom settlements & clearing desk clerk after completing secondary school & his GCSE. Barings UK picked him up from there & groomed him for their S’pore office right after they set up shop at SIMEX in April 1992.

    From a lowly Clerk in the UK to General Manager at Barings S’pore, his meteoric rise sparks of cynical belief that he was a tool for Baring UK top management to manipulate.

    Leeson wasn’t even granted a broker’s licence in the United Kingdom because he committed fraud on his application. Neither Leeson nor Barings disclosed this denial by UK Future’s regulator when Leeson applied for his licence in Singapore.

    This speaks loudly of S’pore’s Immigration & professional regulatory Authorities – their lackadaisical attitudes on checking for serious breaches & for warning signs on key executive appointments. A simple check by S’pore Authorities with relevant UK bodies would have sent warning flags! This would later rebound on SIMEX’s existential fate in 1995.

    Leeson’s tenure in S’pore was a dream come true. Equally at home either at the SIMEX trading pit (still an outcry floor system) or at Harry’s Irish Pub at nearby Boat Quay. He was living an expat’s dream!

    But Leeson was playing dangerous games with Barings share capital. He was executing a Straddle trading scheme arbitraging between SIMEX & Osaka’s Futures Exchange on the Nikkei 225 Index futures. On a fair & quiet day, he would have extracted “profits” on his Straddle scheme through arbitraging on the 2 exchanges.

    But when the Kobe Earthquake struck early morning on 17 January, 1995, Leeson’s trades totally fell apart! The rest was history! Not stated in official narratives, but Methinks SIMEX Capitalisation took a big hit!

    To prevent another incident from happening, amendments were made to the Futures Trading Act to monitor the activities of traders selling futures contracts more closely.[*sic* after the horse bolted]

    At the end of the day, there are always risks in the financial markets that even the best specialists who hold Nobel prizes are not able to avoid.

    Haigen-Diaz: during those great old days of British Raj when even a lumpen, or a drunkard, unemployed pommy youth lying on the streets of London used to be recruited to enjoy rather a lavish life in one of its colonies as a British civil servant, or a soldier, with a big house (if not a palace or a bungalow), servants, and power to rule over the native people

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  • Please lah !!! Rabble-rouser:

    ,”This one (Rabble-rouser) sure can talk cock”, are not handles, just facts.

    But you are right about one thing.

    Rabble-rouser:
    When Chinese are a minority in the West, irregardless of whether you’re Singapore Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, South East Asia Chinese, Taiwan or China Chinese, you still identify yourself as one single ethnic grouping!

    But these facts remain:
    - Not all ethnic Chinese are China Chinese.
    - Not all ethnic Chinese support what China do to their own ethnic minorities, religious minorities, regional minorities, even the minorities who happen to choose a different exercise routines !!!
    - Not all ethnic Chinese disagree with Hong Kong Chinese who protested on the streets, weeks after weeks after weeks.
    - Not all ethnic Chinese are against Taiwanese having their own country.
    - Certainly not all ethnic Chinese behave, thinks or act like China Chinese, even in the West.

    It is therefore now a good reason for Singapore Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, South East Asia Chinese and none China Chinese and those who migrated all over the world to always work hard to reject and differentiate themselves from being labelled as China Chinese

    Btw, is not about “Rabble-rouser isn’t afraid of you”, it is more about the Global ethnic Chinese is afraid of the likes of you and what the likes of you will “Bring it on!” to tar the non China Chinese globally.

    But you do you, just NOT IN MY NAME !!!

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Haigen-Diaz:
    I fear the US-China trade wars could be a prelude to the next event horizon for a Black Swan financial crisis! (in 2020?)

    Even BREXIT stalement looks like a precursor to the possible collapse of either the UK &/or the EU. Too many financial imbalances that can’t be predicted with any form of accuracy (certain hidden facts along with too much market noise muddling up the picture) but you know it’s ready to erupt soon!

    The impact from a Financial crisis is much more terrifying than a business cyclical recession (US-China trade). Either you’re prepared or be as naked as a new born babe still sucking on Mama’s teats! I think a 5:95 Pareto rule stands looking at gullibility, those in denial & those eternally optimistic (still booking S’pore condos for future prosperity). This could be a “Big Mama” of a GFC!

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  • Haigen-Diaz:

    Rabble-rouser:
    @ Haigen-Diaz:
    I fear the US-China trade wars could be a prelude to the next event horizon for a Black Swan financial crisis! (in 2020?)
    Even BREXIT stalement looks like a precursor to the possible collapse of either the UK &/or the EU. The impact from a Financial crisis is much more terrifying than a business cyclical recession (US-China trade).

    @ Rabble-rouser
    Here’s how the economy could take off: much of the effects of Brexit are already felt. Large employers have shifted jobs to Europe and aren’t looking back. Investors have priced this in. If BJ decides to flip the script and basically keep the UK in the EU permanently, by lying through his teeth to his constituents, then the economy would respond positively. On the other hand, there’s an inverted yield curve, slowing Asian markets, and low interests rates across the globe… if a hard Brexit occurs simultaneously with a global recession, things could get very, very bad.

    From everything I read about the UK, it appears that a mismanaged Brexit will indeed trigger major upheaval and huge problems for the British economy that politicians have minimized in their eagerness to over-simplify and galvanize regarding the positive impact of Brexit on their own domestic budgets. I don’t think the stock market numbers reflect the reality of the underlying economics and I believe that the US economy is one big house of cards, that could turn south dramatically should the right political or economic crisis develop. Will Americans learn from it? Ask me in November of 2020. If they have the Democrats in charge of all three branches, the answer will be yes.

    The only saving grace in the UK’s rolling Brexit disaster, now in its fourth year (and counting), is that Johnson, of his own volition, is now positioned to be holding the bag when a no-deal Brexit blows up the British economy which he campaigned ardently for despite clearly having no clue whatsoever what the consequences would be, and now he’s got no one to shift the blame to when Brexit’s chickens come home to roost.

    I cannot wait to see the two ultimate narcissists, Johnson and Trump, try to work out a trade deal. That should turn out to be a real dumpster fire.

    For the first one thousand years of its history, more or less down to the 17th century, England was a small, provincial island located off the northwest coast of the Eurasian continent. Now it will return to that status. Ah, the glories of the past — “making England great again”!

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Haigen-Diaz:
    Bro, End of the Anglo-Saxon dominance era! MEGA “Make England Great Again” & MAGA “Make America Great Again” are self-consolating words of no effect to the reality of an irreversible decline.

    Brexiters have painted themselves into a corner. Boris Johnson now holds the poisoned chalice as well as a Democles Sword hanging over his head.

    And unpredictable Trump’s preoccupation with the overpriced US Stockmarket & his terrible bully of the Fed Chair, Jay Powell into going in a “loosy-goosy” (lowering rates) of a loose monetary environment to match the negative yielding €.

    Yet he’s engaging in a terrible trade war of attrition with China – all of which contradicts his interest rate stance. The spectre of high inflationary pressures is around the corner.

    Politicians are like the Pied Piper leading the masses “to the rivers to be drown”. Whether they will be paid by the vested parties is another story altogether!

    Haigen-Diaz: I cannot wait to see the two ultimate narcissists, Johnson and Trump, try to work out a trade deal. That should turn out to be a real dumpster fire….Ah, the glories of the past — “making England great again”!

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    A topic on migration, now changed to discussions on Western versus Chinese social history lessons… but I like it. lol.

    No doubt all these long PhD dissertations on Western and Chinese history is complex and multi-faceted; but frankly, at the individual level, it all just boils down to personal finances /economic conditions plus how strong the envious longing is in one for the Westerners way of life.

    a) Personal finance / economic conditions – If you don’t have the opportunity or the money to migrate (many countries still welcome “investors” with money), then it is pointless to talk about how to migrate.

    I talked to many Sinkies (particularly Chinese Sinkies) who harbor hopes to migrate or for their own children to migrate (and then bring them along for the ride :), but really, like I said earlier, either you have high skills in demand and/or you must have lots of money before you should consider migration.

    If you have high skills in a particular field, even the Westerners will respect you and talk to you differently and you will face less discrimination the higher your skilled professional levels are and hence you will tend to interact with better and more open-minded folks.

    I’m not saying highly-skilled professions do not have closet racists among them, but I’m saying the probability of you facing racist incidents will be far less if you’re say an expert in AI tech or expert in brain surgery than if you are going overseas merely to be say just an ordinary high-school teacher or intend to setup yet another Chinese restaurant in LA etc.

    If you have no particular professional skills and you have no money, then you really have to ask yourself, do you think you will really find happiness in some other Western country or you are just pandering to fantasy & escapism? In such a case, you should already consider yourself lucky that you were born in Spore and has a choice to vote here (unlike Hong Kongers).

    b) Envious longing for Westerner’s way of live /freedom etc. – in my perspective, this is highly debatable. If you are born Asian, you will find Westerners’ way of live and mentality highly incongruous with Asian Chinese mindsets.

    I know of Sinkie friends who migrated and had children educated overseas, who later called their parents by name, and will swear at her parents (i.e. my friends) and also experiment with party drugs. Not saying that you won’t have problem kids doing party drugs in Singapore or that all Westerners are natural party animals. I’m just saying Western thinking styles and culture is VERY different at a deep level.

    ….cont’d…

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    …contd…

    So IMO, you either better have high skills so you face minimal or no racial discrimination or you have so much money no one dares to discriminate against you.

    If a Sinkie just hope to go somewhere else without any skills in demand and no money but merely want to get some run-of-the-mill “job” in some Western country, then this will likely be jumping from the pan into the fire.

    Hence, my exhortations for SSS to exercise their vote wisely, because their best economic chances AND CHOICE for their own democratic freedoms reside here at home, not in some far-away Western land ruled by Caucasian men….unless you happen to be a Caucasian Singaporean then none of what I say on migration matters. Ha!

    To summarize this potentially PhD-level thesis on why so many Sinkies have (false) hopes of migration:

    i) Western social system recognizes and respect (individual & independent) talent for what it is.

    Hence, during the last few hundred years, they have made HUGE technological advances and changes in social behavior and the corresponding moral codes that is far different from that of Chinese-based societies.

    Western mindsets and institutions are very willing to consider alternative viewpoints and have good foundations based on rationalism, partly because of their modes of thinking styles which have been cultivated in their long history of scientific/experimental/technical/system of thought (i.e. Natural Philosophy starting from the early Greeks to their modern Scientific Method)

    Thus, you see many Westerners glorify their personalities and individual names in their history books, in ALL areas of achievements.
    (e.g. Newton in Science, Descartes in Mathematics, Werner Von Braun in rocketry despite him being a former Nazi, Einstein in Physics despite being a Jew, Marie Curie a Nobel laureate despite being a woman, Earl Nightingale honored for her ideas despite being a blind woman, most of all the scientific and mathematical laws and principals were discovered and named after Westerners etc.).

    Ideas are more important to Western mindsets. They are willing to experiment with new things and dare to experiment, sometimes it might have negative consequences (e.g. such as nuclear experiments or party drugs but their mentality and social mileau has evolved such that they value freedom to pursue their individual interests, sometimes at great risks to existing social systems, which Westerners tolerate to a great extent.

    In life as in science, if you do not EXPERIMENT, you do not learn anything new and you do not grow.

    That is the primary reason why Western cultures can evolve so rapidly and be so flexible and so alluring.

    ..to be contd…

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Now, in contrast:

    - Chinese social systems PUNISHES talent because historically, many Chinese Emperors killed talented people since they are perceived as THREATS to the existing system or authority.

    I would argue this is the primary reason why Chinese civilization STAGNATED and died slowly over the last centuries.

    Some of you have given good examples of Chinese inventions thousands of years ago that were ahead of Western civilizations, but do we remember the NAMES of the Chinese personalities who invented Gunpowder or the Compass??!
    You see what I mean now?

    Chinese system is one of OPPRESSION and maintaining the current order, whether you are talking about ancient China or our modern Spore system.

    Somehow, our Chinese social-DNA makeup is always about who is more powerful politically instead of who has the BEST and most rational and testable ideas, regardless whether its a scientific or progressive social theory.

    Those who have bright ideas which inevitably opposes the current paradigm are severely punished for sticking up like a sore thumb. Chinese (including Japanese, Koreans and many Chinese-influenced cultures) mentality and social systems prefers conformity.

    Hence, the STATUS QUO is always preferred.
    Which means Chinese cultures are dead-beats because they are not allowed to come up with INDEPENDENT thinking or NEW IDEAS.

    Thus, Japanese used to “copy-cat” Americans, now Chinese “copy-cat” them and Spore are “followers” of Western music, and Western styles of living but none of Westerner’s great thinking.

    Chinese only want to be “FOLLOWERS” because it is safer socially and hence, many Chinese-influenced cultures end up “following” Western cultures partially or mostly in a half-baked manner.

    E.g.) Japanese cultures adopting Western former styles of management but lacking in the flexibility of structural change, or Chinese playing catch-up to Western technologies and misusing them for Internet censorship instead of using it as a platform for sharing ideas, or our Spore system of faked Western “democracy” via a gerrymandered one-party dynastic rule etc. etc.)

    When Chinese folks lose the logical argument, they resort to “fixing” their opponent via imprisonment or exile (in ancient China) or lawsuits in our more modern context yes?

    Change has to begin with individual MINDSETS and modes of thinking, which admittedly are very difficult to change.

    That is the CORE reason why Western societies are so attractive.
    Many folks do not realize economic opportunities come from NEW IDEAS and new ideas come from new modes of THINKING. If you migrate to a Western country with your old MINDSETS, how does that help anyone, least of all yourself?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    MATE, BRILLIANTLY PUT there.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: In life as in science, if you do not EXPERIMENT, you do not learn anything new and you do not grow.

    That is the primary reason why Western cultures can evolve so rapidly and be so flexible and so alluring……..Now, in contrast:

    - Chinese social systems PUNISHES talent because historically, many Chinese Emperors killed talented people since they are perceived as THREATS to the existing system or authority.

    I would argue this is the primary reason why Chinese civilization STAGNATED and died slowly over the last centuries

    Which is exactly why Western civilisation in a few centuries outrun China’s 5000 years of feudal history of failures. Pu Yi is a disgrace of Chinese ending history.

    Rich Asians send their kids to western universities for education – NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    In China, they even have foreigner/teachers teaching foreign language, HISTORY AND CULTURE in secondary schools – more than a decade ago.

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  • left to australia:

    Rabble-rouser:

    Why? It is because the Chinese migrants:
    * tend to be very academically inclined;
    * tend to be very industrious & hard-working; &
    * very effective in capital accumulation & in wealth achievements.

    In the West, nearly all the top percentile of academic achievers are Asians especially of Chinese ethnicity.

    u claim chinese to be hardworking and inventive. Let me ask u where does yr major inventions comes from ? west.

    Stip delusing rself. The chinese are good as slaves for the westerners. They cant and will not be able to do any world changing inventions. This shit 5000 year old culture only breeds people who openly defecate in public.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome, oxygen:
    There is a Paradox in being a Western Influenced Asian person but at the same time, being steep with Chinese Culture, values & traditions. It’s like walking a tight rope straddling between two distinct great but differing cultures.

    Asian values have their own usefulness but also have tremendous limitations. On the other hand, Western influences value self expression, freedom of speech & being your own person. But Western values, too also have their own serious limitations.

    Asian cultures have the benefit to centuries of learned wisdom from great philosophers, outstanding medical healers & great strategist eg. Sun Tzu. Even the Japanese, South Koreans adopted many of Chinese learned wisdom in their own society. The Japanese are knowledgeable with the Chinese Classics; Water Margin: All Men are Brothers; Three Kingdoms, Journey to the West, Sun Tze Art of War, etc.

    Chinese Traditional Medicine ie. herbal remedies, accupuncture & various know-how comp!iment Western medicine whose Pharmacology remedies have hidden side efforts & serious health issues when dealing with supposed drug’s potency efficacy.

    Even Chinese cuisines is among the world’s greatest! Westerners themselves have embraced Chinese food. Western cuisines are tend to be heavier, simplistic & lack the variety of taste & mouthfeel of Chinese cuisines which many recipes originated from the Imperial Kitchens which fed many Emperor’s mouths.

    Chinese philosophers like Lao Tze (Taoism) formulated brilliant Chinese philosophies that far surpassed Western religious doctrines like Christianity & Roman Catholism. Chinese wisdom helps avoid pitfalls that plagued the Christian faith eg. Christian Prosperity Cults Groups & TV Evangelists whom used Indoctrination methods to “suck you dry” on the promise of heaven. Even the Roman Catholic system of celibate monkhood was revealed to be Mafia-like in their Code of Silence among their flock while their ordinated priesthood order infested with Child Molesters, Homosexual Predators & Pedophiles.

    But Chinese values greatest weakness were strict obedience & conformist attitudes in a Chinese societal setting. Filial Peity, respect for elders & subservence to authoritity figures meant conservative attitudes which dominate the landscape leading to Authoritarism. And that was why China lagged badly behind the West in technology, creative knowhow & leading edge findings – these things evade the rigid Chinese society!

    - Cont’d -

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    left to australia: u claim chinese to be hardworking and inventive. Let me ask u where does yr major inventions comes from ? west.

    To “left to australia”,

    Rabble-rouser is not entirely wrong. The point is very subtle and here it is:

    The difference is how the Chinese diaspora performs versus the Chinese, as a civilization or society, performs.

    If you read my above long-winded “PhD dissertation” :), you will know that I referred to the “… primary reason why Chinese civilization STAGNATED and died slowly over the last centuries.” Note that I said Chinese CIVILIZATION as a whole compared to Western civilizations, and NOT the typical persons of Chinese-descent or race.

    I know this will sound extremely racist, but hear me out:

    Many decades of scientific data have shown that MEDIAN I.Q levels DO differ among different racial populations. Now, whether this difference is due to genetic makeup, social environments (i.e. the Nature vs Nurture) or even what type of food you eat are still hotly debated issues.

    The data indicates the following pecking order in terms of MEDIAN I.Q levels (emphasis on MEDIAN):
    #1 Ashkenazi Jews
    #2 Asiatic stock (i.e. Japanese, Chinese, Koreans)
    #3 Caucasians

    # Africans tend to have relatively lower median IQs compared to the rest.

    Now, lets qualify a few things. These studies are NOT saying ALL people of African-descent are low I.Q or ALL Ashkenazi Jews are super intelligent. These are MEDIAN levels, meaning you will get a super Genius-level African as well as a dumbass Jew in a large enough sample population.

    Secondly, all the I.Q bell-curves OVERLAP to a HUGE degree.
    This means on principal, you shouldn’t discriminate based purely on racial basis. You have to interact and get to know the person.

    Thirdly, I’m NOT saying a human being’s worth should be measured on just 1 metric or I.Q. should even be a factor.
    A scientific genius who has evil intent or lacking in morality is certainly a worse human being to have than a lower-I.Q. human who has real compassion for others, yes?

    Furthermore, I.Q levels are good for certain professions but not all types.
    Many Black Africans are GIFTED with excellent physique and studies have shown their muscle density is on MEDIAN levels higher than all other races.
    Which is why they are much sought-after in sports such as rugby, basketball, track & field events etc.

    Now, this brings us to the Rabble-rouser’s point on why the Chinese diaspora has on average done quite well as migrants to Western countries.

    …cont’d.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    - Cont’d -
    Any form of Knowledge was considered a threat to Authoritarian power in Ancient & even Modern China! Unless it is harnessed for the benefit of the Authoritarian powers. One can’t achieved individual greatness without authority! Even then the likelihood of being beheaded were far greater than being honoured.

    It was the West which allowed individualism & free expression of the Self. And it was the US which itself rebelled against the stiff upper-crust British Colonial rule. And this was the catalyst for America to became the greatest nation in the world! That virtue was being rebellious & individualistic!

    And it was not only the Americans themselves but rather foreign talents who migranted to the US for opportunities. Remember that the genesis for Taiwan’s Semiconductor & Motherboard Industries came from Taiwan govt’s electronic kickstarter initiatives enticing Taiwanese electrical engineers to Hsinchu Science Park from Silicon Valley in the 1980s.

    For Asians to excel, they need to get out of their own suffocating & stifling eco-system & comfort zones. Straddling the best of 2 worlds is the only way forward.

    Asians tend to outperform Westerners on their home turf because Asians come from competitive academic eco-systems. Also, Asians tend to mistrust govts because historically, govts had let them down constantly.

    I was in Flushing, NYC a while back & was very impressed with the predominant Asian presence there. Every one in Flushing looked like a Asian migrant & they worked very hard. There was an energy & vibrancy here which was lacking elsewhere. Some shops were opened by Chinese immigrants who could hardly speak a word of English but they still dare to come to Flushing.

    I met a young China wife with a young baby while I was sitting in a Mall. I conversed with her in Mandarin. She was very happy to met with a fellow Chinese speaker. Despite being alienated & lonely without knowing English, I could see that she was very brave to venture out of her comfort zone. How many could be like her? You don’t need great skills nor large amounts of money but tremendous guts & a willingness to get out of the comfort zone to find opportunities.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    cont’d…

    And yes its an apparent “Paradox”, as what Rabble-rouser mentioned.

    Why is it that Chinese folks in general have done better on average under Western cultures than when they are within a majority Chinese cultural system/nation? (such as in mainland China or even Spore after her independence)

    Doesn’t this point tells us that it is the Chinese civilization /societies that are too restrictive in terms of mentalities and modes of thinking, which thus led to the Chinese decline as a civilization?

    When the typical Chinese (who is culturally brought up to be hard-working and has IQ second only to Ashkenazi Jews on MEDIAN basis), of course, it become obvious why the Chinese diaspora has done very well for herself, yes?

    If you have the smarts AND hardwork is a valued cultural inheritance, you’re highly likely to succeed under a Western system than values rationality and technical achievements.

    However, when the SAME folks are under an OPPRESSIVE system such as within the CCP of China, then all your talents and hardwork means nothing.

    The bigger the Chinese population is, the more OPPRESSIVE the system will become and that I would argue this is due to the points I already mentioned on the Chinese cultural MINDSET of conformity, pressure to perform to social expectations, standardized modes of thinking and being.

    I’ll need to use an example to illustrate the “Paradox”:
    Suppose your child wants to be a painter, he is a bright kid and hardworking but has no aptitude for being a doctor or lawyer or even an engineer.
    A typical Western mindset will have the parents fully supportive of his/her child’s endeavor, but NEVER in a typical Chinese family or social environment.

    As mentioned, Chinese culture is all about CONFORMITY and status quo to avoid embarassment. You know, the “face value”.
    Chinese have very stagnant and fixed mindsets w.r.t your professions and lifestyles. Hence, Chinese as a civilization cannot flower because everyone is stuck with mindsets of being a doctor/lawyer or some supposedly well-respected profession. No one is interested in being an odd-ball to become a painter, or an archaelogist or to study primate behavior in the wild (like Jane Goodall) or do something out of the NORM.

    Hence, over time, Chinese civilization cannot produce any Da Vinci, or Newtons or Einstein (who worked as a lowly patent officer) etc. because no one wants to be different, hence no NEW IDEAS, no cross-breeding of ideas as a multi-faceted society/civilization.

    Whether you migrate elsewhere is NOT the key point and thus I would argue we should first transform our own mindsets (AND voting behavior) before our society can change for the better.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ left to australia:
    Most of the “kickstarter” inventions might have occurred in the West. But the reality is that the Industrial Application, production process technology & subsequent R&D improvements, QC process (quality improvements) are all done in North Asia.

    Ford might be the first car mass manufacturer historically but Toyota is number one in the world today. Asian made cars are the most reliable. Chinese cars are following the same path as the Japanese & South Koreans.

    Since you’re in Australia, what happened to the Australian car manufacturing industry there? There used to be Ford, GM (Hokden), Mitsubishi & Toyota – where are they now?

    For electric cars, Chinese company BYD is one of the most cost-efficient makers of EVs. Even Warren Buffett invested into this company but not Tesla.
    https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/11/investing/byd-warren-buffett-china-electric-cars/index.html

    left to australia: u claim chinese to be hardworking and inventive. Let me ask u where does yr major inventions comes from ? west.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Rabble-rouser:

    Asian values have their own usefulness but also have tremendous limitations. On the other hand, Western influences value self expression, freedom of speech & being your own person. But Western values, too also have their own serious limitations.

    Yes, I agree on your points being that its a tightrope to balance the good and the bad points in Eastern / Chinese value systems.

    The good is VERY DIFFICULT to separate from the Bad.
    Some would argue its impossible to separate the good and the bad because it comes as a package together.

    That why I said if you migrate and have your kids educated under Western modes of thinking, you will be surprised how far or way-off they can go.

    If you want a society of strict law-abiding citizens, then of course, the tendency over time, is to train your people until they ALL CONFORM to your direction. However, as I’ve already mentioned, that would mean eventually, you get the inevitable “Group-Think” society/civilization. Sounds familiar?

    In Spore’s context, that is why we flourished for a few decades right after we got independent and had the intellectual freedom (at least initially) to adopt new ideas built upon the British systems & institutions.

    Unfortunately, over time, we hit the roadblock. We couldn’t innovate because we got stuck in old mindsets and 70% majority prefers the status quo under the LEEder.

    On the other hand, if you do not have certain societal restrictions on behavior, then naturally, many will go overboard. Now, this is why Western civilizations value individual freedoms, because with freedom you get new experiments, new experiences, new ideas, and hence new innovations.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, their (Western) societies also get very nasty people who do batshit crazy stuff.

    You can’t try to do one without the other. You can’t have crazy ideas without crazy people.

    ALL innovations come from apparently “CRAZY” ideas.
    - Quantum theory is a “CRAZY” idea.
    - Inventing nuclear energy is a “CRAZY” idea.
    - Genetic engineering is a “CRAZY” idea.
    - Going to the Moon was a “CRAZY” idea.
    - but so is experimenting with party drugs…and so is experimenting with new social constructs, etc. etc.

    I can’t figure out how you can separate one TYPE of ideas as being “BAD” or classify another set of “IDEAS” or experiments as “GOOD”. Anytime you try to constrain new ideas, you’re already a theocracy by definition.

    Once again in Science as in Life, if you don’t EXPERIMENT, you don’t learn new info so you stay stagnant / status quo, but EXPERIMENTATION always comes with risks.

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  • Left to australia:

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: To “left to australia”,

    If you read my above long-winded “PhD dissertation” :), you will know that I referred to the “… primary reason why Chinese civilization STAGNATED and died slowly over the last centuries.” Note that I said Chinese CIVILIZATION as a whole compared to Western civilizations, and NOT the typical persons of Chinese-descent or race.

    The data indicates the following pecking order in terms of MEDIAN I.Q levels (emphasis on MEDIAN):
    #1 Ashkenazi Jews
    #2 Asiatic stock (i.e. Japanese, Chinese, Koreans)
    #3 Caucasians

    U are fcking entirely wrong. U are talking about centuries, i will talk to about millenia. The very basis of mankind lies with ancient india and to some extent the sumerians.However very little is known about the sumerians except for folkore. But with ancient indians they have left behind tons of written records if u studied yr anthropology carefully. the ancient indian texts describe the usage of quantum physics and atomic weapons, levitating machines using anti gravity , Ancient Indians invented mathematics which drives the world today. Only after these ancient Indian civilization which is a tamil civilization that pioneered science , astronomy and physics many thousands of years ago even before the Egyptians. Even oppenheimer inventor of the atomic weapon looked at the bhagavd gita texts and both hitler went in search of ancient stuff in india , NASA is also studying the ancient texts from india..Yr chinese and western civilisations were nowhere to be found when all these were happening a millenia ago. Even today in india , there are engineering constructions and marvels of ancient times which baffle experts.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    Not only a physical roadblock but an indoctrinated & conditioned mentality amongst the greater S’pore population who can’t comprehend nor understand their own dire conditions & predicaments.

    In addition, there is a surreal S’pore picture being painted by the State-controlled media highlighting & magnifying the (marginal) positives but totalling obscuring the negatives or downplaying it.

    The result: A smug & arrogant S’pore society whom thinks that they are at the top of the pack, not realising that our immediate neighbourhood are fast catching up with 6% real economic growth vs 2% S’pore growth with much Infrastructural Spending, inflationary price adjustments & Foreign infusions to boost nominal GDP %.

    Even S’pore’s concept of wealth were totally out of synch with Global trends! S’poreans’ preoccupation with the Brick ‘N Mortar as a barometer of wealth is a joke! The online revolution is laying a wrecking ball to Brick ‘N Mortar structures faster than it is being built!

    The other S’pore preoccupation, Academic Excellence are being eroded by advancements in technology with the next stage, AI & Machine Learning – a real job killer! The Formal Learning Institutions are failing! Because new knowledge are evolving faster than can be captured, condensed into textbooks & be disseminated through the Formal Institutions of Learning.

    The only thing left that can translate into wealth are innate survival skills & constantly pursuing new Ideas & experimenting with these ideas. Of course, you will need accumulated capital & wealth.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    In Spore’s context, that is why we flourished for a few decades right after we got independent and had the intellectual freedom (at least initially) to adopt new ideas built upon the British systems & institutions.

    Unfortunately, over time, we hit the roadblock. We couldn’t innovate because we got stuck in old mindsets and 70% majority prefers the status quo under the LEEder.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    And that is why this migration topic deviated to Western versus Chinese social history lessons. Without it, the thought of migration would be too simplistic & for some, a steep letdown after reaching new shores & discovering what’s not to like!

    Migration isn’t just a physical relocation to a new geographical location & totally different eco-system. It is also a mindset adjustment which is much harder for those wishing to migrate to comprehend. It is no “bed of roses” nor greener pastures to roost. There will be adjustments required. Those whom had been used to a certain level of comfort zone backhome will start to nitpick & criticize their new surroundings if they can’t get what they’re used to!

    It will take 1-2 generations of adjustments before the migrant family get to grips with their new surroundings. Some might even return back because the adjustments for them were too great!

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    A topic on migration, now changed to discussions on Western versus Chinese social history lessons… but I like it. lol.

    …If you migrate to a Western country with your old MINDSETS, how does that help anyone, least of all yourself?

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Rabble-rouser:
    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    And that is why this migration topic deviated to Western versus Chinese social history lessons. Without it, the thought of migration would be too simplistic & for some, a steep letdown after reaching new shores & discovering what’s not to like!

    It will take 1-2 generations of adjustments before the migrant family get to grips with their new surroundings. Some might even return back because the adjustments for them were too great!

    @Rabble-rouser, yes you’ve hit the bulls-eye and we’ve come full circle back to this very complex migration topic.

    Left to australia: U are fcking entirely wrong. U are talking about centuries, i will talk to about millenia. The very basis of mankind lies with ancient india …
    Even today in india , there are engineering constructions and marvels of ancient times which baffle experts.

    Seems like now the guy who “Left to australia” is going back even further in antiquity by deviating into advanced Ancient Indians topic ?!? lol

    I’ll bet he will talk about Vimanas of Ancient India in his next comment and claim that the Indians beat the Wright Brothers with their invention of controlled manned-flight and ancient Indians even beat the first man on the Moon by many millenia! kekekeh ;)

    Attention To: “left for Australia”:
    You’re not making any sense so let me bring you back down to Earth.

    My question then to you is why didn’t you migrate to INDIA instead of Australia?? You still prefer to be in a Caucasian-majority society/civilization, despite all your ramblings on Indian achievements of antiquity.
    See my point now?

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  • monkey antics:

    //that is why we flourished for a few decades right after we got independent and had the intellectual freedom (at least initially) to adopt new ideas built upon the British systems & institutions.//

    starting with low cost base and lack of competition in the earlier days, easier to for any entity to add value if it has the right ingredients (talent + education + will power + hard work all put together). but sinkie land gets too carried away, gdp gdp + 6.9m or 10m open leg policy until becoming a high cost base in place with no natural resources + without big area.

    worst, now got many entities (eg. REITs ?) and people focusing on REAL ESTATE, trying to squeeze out what ever little juice from a small red dot – hence inflating COL which gets trickle down to many things.

    good for the white monkey idiots (well compensated for their monkey antics) but may not be good for the average daft sinkies.

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  • A S'porean Dau in Switzerland:

    I have not faced overt discrimination in my almost 2 years here. Shopkeepers may not be the friendliest, customs may seem to racially profile you to check for unpaid taxes in goods at the airport but really there hasn’t been any overt discrimination.

    And my honest, no filter reasoning behind this is because:

    1) There are not a lot of East Asian faces here to give us a truly bad name yet. ;) Interpret this however you want.

    2) They have other groups of people to direct their displeasure upon. Again, interpret this however you want.

    So, be prepared for a higher level of nonchalance, but don’t read too much into this – it maybe just a lack of familiarity with the English language, or just them being Swiss.

    https://carrieinajar.blogspot.com/

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  • oxygen:

    @ Rabble-rouser & @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    WHILE MUCH OF YOUR INTERACTIONS HERE ARE MEASURED AND LOGICAL of cultural differences, I suspect the economic dimensions are incomplete, maybe misunderstood.

    Rabble-rouser: Since you’re in Australia, what happened to the Australian car manufacturing industry there? There used to be Ford, GM (Hokden), Mitsubishi & Toyota – where are they now?

    Holden has no chance of independent survival any better to Proton. It is industrial economics of scale effects and experience curve effects of shared costs in parts. That is why you see foreign jv in car making in EU and China. Even Chrysler gone the way for foreign subjugation. Interesting enough, I saw a GM Holden made in Belgium, the OZ-designed Holden-brand cars are made in Germany.

    As for this, me thinks the Asian economic booms in the 70s and early 80s are a FAD CYCLE OF STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT CYCLE – no relevance to cultural diversities.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: In Spore’s context, that is why we flourished for a few decades right after we got independent and had the intellectual freedom (at least initially) to adopt new ideas built upon the British systems & institutions.

    The 5 Asian tiger economies took off due to urbanisation and infrastructural boom spending – one off can’t be repeated as warned by professor Krugman to Past Tense.

    China did the same in the 90s onward, and has seen slower slower and slower growth based on urbanisation, infrastructure spending boom and infusion of foreign investment in manufacturing.

    INDIA NEVER TOOK OFF because of this.

    https://youtu.be/u5bCrfi337Y?t=2

    Just google bundles of dangling electric wires + India + U-tube

    when its infrastructure is in such a tangled mess, you can’t build infrastructure and add to efficient urbanisation.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Rabble-rouser & @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    BUT I AGREE WITH this writing.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: Unfortunately, over time, we hit the roadblock. We couldn’t innovate because we got stuck in old mindsets and 70% majority prefers the status quo under the LEEder.

    Remember Past Tense spoke loudly of virtues of “eastern values” But eastern values are deeply flawed – always seeking of stability, the maintenance of status quo. How can we ever hope to survive and prosper in a world of ACCELERATING CHANGE AT AN EVER ACCELERATING RATE? It is the cave-man mentality, always imagined security of hiding in a cave shelter WHEN THE WORLD IS EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE CAVE which mankind must find its food and wealth for storage of supply in old age and in changing hard times.

    STABILITY IS FUTILE AND SELF-DESTRUCTING.

    TECHNOLOGY SHIFT IS ENOUGH TO ELIMINATE US – you are simply left behind. Stability might preserve momentarily PAPpypollitics and PAPpynomic of self-preservation and harvest of its economic vandalism. The rest, how uh?

    And that is symptomatic of Asian migration in the West. They transport the same cave-men and cave-women mentality, buying up real estate where their legs crawls to. The transition to change is zero for too many. They won’t rediscover themselves that a migration opens up a vast horizon of opportunity open to them – the way David Teoh, and Kerry Harmanis and the likes. They want to cultivate the same authoritarian culture of conformity in their kids instead of letting them explore their own horizon and success.

    They and their children might never get to this even with migration.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: Western civilizations value individual freedoms, because with freedom you get new experiments, new experiences, new ideas, and hence new innovations.

    because of this

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: Chinese cultural MINDSET of conformity, pressure to perform to social expectations, standardized modes of thinking and being.

    It is particularly damaging of survival prospects when IA displaces jobs, even displacing investments in industry. Those who can work and work on cheaper rate will survive. Those who can invest (requiring innovative thinking) will prosper, exploiting cheap labor and technology.

    EASTERN VALUES OF OPPRESSION WILL NOT SURVIVE.

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  • blueview:

    To those who are glorifying the western ways of life, I would encourage you to slow down and make sure you get some in-depth, nitty gritty details and understanding, most importantly the CONSEQUENCES that follow with the western ways of life.

    Not everything is roses ok! Not all freedom, creative endeavours and undertakings encouraged in western lifestyles result in positive results. There are so much negative consequences that are being swept under the carpets just to give the impression that western ways are superior, just because their society is more liberal and experimental but the stigma of negative results upon a person is well hidden in western societies. Just do a research on “Homeless People” and you’ll know how forgiving or unforgiving western societies are. The westerners are very good in terms of talking but they will not easily forgive nor give another opportunity…they camouflage their biasness in a very clever way unlike Asians. These days the 2nd to 5th Asian generations are the same as the Caucasians. They learn to turn down a person in a polite way which might give the other person an impression of hopefulness when in reality there is nothing. Asians are more direct in their approach and you get their message and you move on. Westerners are less direct in their approach and you remain hopeful. In either case, people have to learn to adjust to the circumstances they are in and make the right decisions for themselves.

    For the last few decades, Eastern ways of life are often portrayed as stifling, restrictive and Western ways of life are often portrayed as freedom, expansion of life. Many 3rd to 5th Asian generations in western countries are lost and rediscovering the meaning of life in eastern values and so are the westerners, many are turning toward the East to make sense of their lives. I’m talking about very successful people here. Why is there so much emphasis on Mental Health issues in the western countries these days? One can never guess the vast inner turmoil people go through even the successful ones by their outer looks or what they wear or what car they own or the home they live in or how many homes they own none of these materials possessions matters in the long run which is life.

    This observation is just my 13 yrs of daily grind of living in one of the best western global cities in the world. I take the bus and train everywhere as opposed to driving for 13 years so I got the opportunity to see and experience more of the day to day life on the ground. BTW, I’m a PMET kicked out of Spore when I turned 40+ but got back into my line of STEM job in this western country. I’m immensely grateful but that doesn’t mean I have to give glory to western way of life. Unlike SG, age 40 is young in western countries!…

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  • blueview:

    This is a continuation… Singaporean companies spend time and money to train me for the PMET job but now this western country is benefitting my experience and skillset instead of Singapore.

    At that time in Singapore the reasons in the year 2000s were “Singaporeans are lazy, Singaporeans are no good, FTs are better, Any Singaporeans passed 40 is considered old, no value and economically dead” Our govt praised FTs way too much, so much so that 80% Singaporean PMETS who are beyond 40 were heavily side-lined in all major industries and reduced to nothing!

    Today FTs run our Financial, IT and other major industries. Why do we keep arguing about western and eastern ways of life, which is better when the core of the problem is not providing for its own citizens?

    In the long run, whichever country you migrate to and however successful you are, you’ll find some negatives and positives which in my opinion just contras off or cancels one another. It ultimately boils down to individual preferences and preferred lifestyle or lifestyles.

    To any Singaporeans who migrates, be a global citizen and stay as a global citizen because you never know where your life will take you and your children’s life will take them and you! For being a global citizen don’t give up your citizenships of the countries you have.

    Finally, the once great benefits of western countries in the 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s,80s and early 90s have been dwindling downwards. Many liveable great cities and countries are super expensive now and the cost of living is exorbitant. These are the cities and countries where you can find good paying jobs unless of course you want to adopt a fully localized lifestyle and don’t mind taking up less demanding jobs.

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  • Haigen-Diaz:

    As someone who has spend more than half one’s life in western civilization, the first half in a developing third world democracy, I can appreciate the gifts of both. We are under some false perceptions that every nation with it’s own values and culture should imbibe ‘Western values’ which is the epitome for all values. Frankly, we don’t have to because we don’t need to.

    The world can be split in a great number of ways — wealthy and poor, democracy and authority — but the distinction between individualist and collectivist cultures is one of the most striking.

    If you show an American a fish tank, the American will generally describe the tank’s largest fish and what it does individually. If you ask a Chinese person to define a fish tank, the Chinese will define the context the fish swim in collectively.

    These kinds of experiments were repeatedly performed, and the results show the same underlying pattern. Americans usually see individuals; Chinese and other Asians see contexts. You can create a global continuum with the most individualistic societies— like the United States or Britain— on one end, and the most collectivist societies— like China or Japan — on the other.

    Individualist nations tend to give priority to rights and privacy. People in such societies tend to overvalue their own skills and their importance. People in collective societies tend to value harmony and duty. They tend to underestimate their own skills and are more self-effacing when describing their contributions to group efforts.

    But what if collectivist societies snap out of their stagnation in the economy? What occurs if collectivist societies increase economically and rival the West? The rise of China isn’t only an economic event. It’s a cultural one. The ideal of a harmonious collective may turn out to be as attractive as the ideal of the American Dream.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ blueview:
    S’pore’s eco-system like what oxygen says, is only 1% truth but 99% lies & propaganda. Only when people migrate out of this silly S’pore eco-system well controlled by the MIWs & collaborated by the equally silly Local population, only then will you comprehend the “truth”! FT issue in S’pore is a hoax!

    S’pore’s FT issue is simply a case for S’pore’s GDP growth formulation, much like the relentless Infrastructure Spending (eg. Great Southern Waterfront) & Real Estate Development focus. With natural birth rates so low, the obvious option will be more foreign influx! That is already so obvious!

    Under the PAP, S’pore is a lost cause for locals & their pathways irreversible. It is past salvageable value because PAP population growth policies (debt legacy) will never rhyme with the concurrent & future economic situation. The core problem rests with the power equation. S’poreans had not reached that point yet but still harbours faith in the Status Quo.

    Anyone with a brain would seek an alternative safehouse away from S’pore. Many will never come back to stay permanently because inspite of the “deficiencies” of Western Culture, S’pore’s future is worse off. And that is why we have this EAST-WEST “Conversation”!

    At the end of the day, you can only care about yourself & your family. You can’t change the course of nature in S’pore when the majority wants it that way. So let the FTs run S’pore Financial, IT and other major industries. Who cares?

    blueview: At that time in Singapore the reasons in the year 2000s were “Singaporeans are lazy, Singaporeans are no good, FTs are better, Any Singaporeans passed 40 is considered old, no value and economically dead” Our govt praised FTs way too much, so much so that 80% Singaporean PMETS who are beyond 40 were heavily side-lined in all major industries and reduced to nothing!

    Today FTs run our Financial, IT and other major industries. Why do we keep arguing about western and eastern ways of life, which is better when the core of the problem is not providing for its own citizens?

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ oxygen:
    The greater part of Australian built cars were funded by Australian Tax-payers monies.

    It is nothing more than a multinational corporations’ tax scam to locate in a high labour cost environment (subsidized by Govt monies) when it is more logical to locate in, say, Thailand. Ultimately, it had to end!

    Holden & Ford basically made their Australian cars out from scrounging from their global parts-bin. Holden took a lot from both ex-GM-subsidiary Opel AG & from Chevrolet, GM Korea while Ford took from Ford Germany & the US. Yet from a marketing point of view, both Ford & Holden made it look like they were unique to Australia. The Toyota Camry & Aurion were basically CKD units amalgamated from various global models to fit into their Aussie specs cars.

    There were never any economies of scale to have a car manufacturing industry in Australia. And Australians were very parochial about their Aussie-made cars. But the new generation weren’t so hung up on Aussie car brands, opting for fuel efficient cars! At the end, the govt had to pull the rug from under them!

    oxygen: I suspect the economic dimensions are incomplete, maybe misunderstood.
    …Holden has no chance of independent survival any better to Proton. It is industrial economics of scale effects and experience curve effects of shared costs in parts. That is why you see foreign jv in car making in EU and China. Even Chrysler gone the way for foreign subjugation. Interesting enough, I saw a GM Holden made in Belgium, the OZ-designed Holden-brand cars are made in Germany.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Blueview

    CONGRATULATIONS MATE, with migration, you have found…..

    oxygen: THAT SAID, IMMIGRATION OPENS UP NEW EXPANDED FRONTIER AND OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS HOW YOU “DISCOVER” YOURSELF AND FIND A STAGE PLATFORM TO DANCE ON.

    THOSE WHO FOUND THAT STAGE WILL AGREE WITH ME.

    oxygen: It takes a while (varying with each individual) to discover which platform stage you want to happily dance on, so don’t throw your passport so soon.

    THAT IS AT YOUR INDIVIDUAL LEVEL OF ACHIEVEMENT.

    blueview: Singaporean companies spend time and money to train me for the PMET job but now this western country is benefitting my experience and skillset instead of Singapore.

    AND YES, there is no perfect culture or society.

    With oppression, there is no opportunity to escape either ECONOMIC VANDALISM OR SOCIAL VANDALISM as we are seeing in HK now.

    SAD.

    It is like this in mining industry – WITHOUT THE AVENUE AND MEANS OF EXPLORATION UNDER OPPRESSION, there is no discovery of wealth hidden waiting to be excavated of productive value. For the individual, it is the seeds of self-actualisation of that platform to dance on. For the nation, it is deprived of innovation and adaptive survival to accelerating change.

    THAT IS A SURVIVAL/EXTINCTION CHOICE OR NO CHOICE.

    WHICH ONE YOU PREFERS OR PREFERS TO BE IN – disregarding imperfections in both eastern and western cultures?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Blueview

    ROAMING A FEW YEARS IN CHINA is a real eye-opener for me. Chinese govt invested heavily in pre-tertiary level education in educating their kids on foreign language, HISTORY, CULTURE AND PHILOSOPHY instead of importing foreign talents to teach in maths science and engineering.

    Since then, we are seeing the richest and brightest hitting the shores of western civilisation learning quantitative skills in information technology, maths, science and engineering in the best foreign universities around the globe.

    around

    oxygen: Rich Asians send their kids to western universities for education – NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    In China, they even have foreigner/teachers teaching foreign language, HISTORY AND CULTURE in secondary schools – more than a decade ago.

    IF MAO IS ALIVE TODAY, would he allow this to endanger the survival of his legacy and CCP which Past Tense spoke contemptuously of “western decadence” (in Mao’s parlance western hegemony imperialism endangering his proletariat revolution)? He hugged Brezhnev and met Nixon naked straight out from his swimming pool in Zhongnanhai according to his medical doctor. So Mao was a communist diehard of oppression “making love” to perverted western culture and civilisation?

    I read it differently. The world has changed. China is confident of his own capability in science, technology and innovation or acquiring it from the west.

    THEY LEARN WESTERN LANGUAGE, HISTORY, CULTURE AND PHILOSOPHY to discover how the western liberal minds “think” and BEAT THEM IN THE GAME OF BUSINESS with their learned technology and innovative prowess acquired from Ivy League universities.

    In that journey they also aware that Chinese history till Pu Yi, the last emperor, was 5000 yrs of violence feudalism of no outcome, backwardness and self-destruct. and that much shorter civilisations like US, Australia achieved more minus those bloody senseless feudal civil wars and all the drama turmoil that brings.

    In other words, western civilisation, for all its rowdy disturbances and challenges has within it the seeds of renewal and rejuvenation and survival adaptation to changes.

    Pu Yi was a blank piece of paper which the Japanese overlords paint whatever picture they like. CHINA CAN NO LONGER RETURN TO ITS OPPRESSIVE WAYS.

    It is change or extinction in a globalized world. Another TianAnMen is self-destruction of HK and China together.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Blueview

    I SAW THOSE ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATIONS ON THE STREETS IN AUSTRALIA that is also ricocheting around the world contemporaneously then. It was led by students and that change the course of Vietnam war – America and Nixon bent to the inevitably of turbulent world. To me now, those anti-war demonstrations, sometimes violent, is like Australian bush fire. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS REJUVENATION!!

    Parks and Wildlife Service, Australian Gvernment :Fire, plants and vegetation
    Fire is an ecologically friendly and cost effective tool to regenerate and rehabilitate vegetation on disturbed sites. It helps new seedlings by temporarily reducing competition from established vegetation and creating ash beds suitable for germination. Fire is used:

    to stimulate the release of seed from capsules held in the crowns of forest trees after timber harvesting
    to prepare the seed bed by providing ash that is full of beneficial nutrients such as potash

    https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/management/fire/fire-and-the-environment/53-fire-plants-and-vegetation

    IN OPRRESSION TRUTHS IS HIDDEN AND SOLUTION OF ADAPTIVE SURVIVAL IS STOLEN by vested corrupt interests to the detriment of all.

    I STUMBLED UPON & read the earth-shaking social science masterpiece WHILST ON VACATIONAL HOLIDAY in Canberra in the early 70s.

    The Causal Texture of Organisational Environment written in the early 1950s by two Australian social science minds – F E Emery and E. L Trist

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/001872676501800103

    The writing spoke vigorously and intensely on adaption to turbulent change in the external environment.

    I WAS MORE THAN 20 YEARS behind time then.

    Now in the 2019, 70 years on, we read in social media the survival needs of adaptation to turbulent change.

    NOT A SINGLE PAPpypolitics and PAPpynomics ownself-print-ownself paycheck SPOKE PUBLICLY ON STAGE OF TURBULENCE – that is a vulgar expletive in oppression’s minds.

    YOU SCARED OR NOT, PLEASE TELL ME.

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