Diversion tactic of Chan Chun Sing and the truth about CECA

Chan Chun Sing has made Strong statements against those who had criticized PAP’s signing of CECA with India.

He said that CECA does not exempt Indian PMETs from going through the formal application of E-Pass or S-Pass. He is right about that – but nobody is claiming that CECA waived off such requirements!

What we are saying is that CECA gives Indian citizens unlimited (and not unregulated) access to our labour market! What does this mean?

Look at the Original CECA document signed by both countries. In Article 9.3 Para 3, it stated the following:

“3. Neither Party shall require labour market testing, economic needs testing or other procedures of similar effects as a condition for temporary entry in respect of natural persons upon whom the benefits of this Chapter are conferred.”

What does that mean? It means that Singapore cannot refuse issuing working visa aka work permit or employment passes (in the 127 listed fields and industries) for reasons based on economic or market restrictions like quota requirements or any other conditions.

No other reasons other than National Security or Public Order plus Public Health could be applied to deny any applications as long as they fulfill the following criteria:

“ARTICLE 9.5: LONG-TERM TEMPORARY ENTRY

Intra-Corporate Transferees

1. Unless there has been a breach of any of the conditions governing temporary entry, or an application for an extension of an immigration visa has been refused on such grounds of national security or public order by the granting Party as it deems fit, each Party shall grant temporary entry to an intra-corporate transferee of the other Party, who otherwise meets its criteria for the grant of an immigration visa, for an initial period of up to two years or the period of the contract, whichever is less. The period of stay may be extended for period of up to three years at a time for a total term not exceeding eight years.
Professionals

2. Each Party shall grant temporary entry and stay for up to one year or the duration of contract, whichever is less, to a natural person seeking to engage in a business activity as a professional, or to perform training functions related to a particular profession, including conducting seminars, if the professional otherwise complies with immigration measures applicable to temporary entry, on presentation by the natural person concerned of:

(a) Proof of nationality of the other Party;

(b) Documentation demonstrating that he or she will be so engaged and describing the purpose of entry, including the letter of contract from the party9-2 engaging the services of the natural person in the host Party; and
9-2 For the avoidance of doubt, “party” shall not mean the Republic of India or the Republic of Singapore (“Party”).
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(c) Documentation demonstrating the attainment of the relevant minimum educational requirements or alternative credentials.”

And Para 2 Stated the following:

“2. Each Party shall process expeditiously applications for temporary entry from natural persons of the other Party, including requests for further extensions. Each Party shall notify applicants for temporary entry, either directly or through their prospective employers, of the outcome of their applications, including the period of stay and other conditions.”

It says that there should not be any delay in issuance of such permits and even for further extensions, it should be processed expeditiously.

So it seems, the process of issuing permits for Indian PMETs has just become a formality. Unless there is valid reasons with regards to National Security or Health issues, all applications for all the listed industries and fields should be approved without delay.

Furthermore, CECA also provides spouses and dependents of Indian PMETs granted employment pass in Singapore to be employable in Singapore. This is stated in Article 9.6

“ARTICLE 9.6: EMPLOYMENT OF SPOUSES AND DEPENDANTS

For natural persons of a Party who have been granted the right to long term temporary entry and have been allowed to bring in their spouses or dependants, a Party shall, upon application, grant the accompanying spouses or dependants of the other Party the right to work as managers, executives or specialists (as defined in paragraphs 2(f)(i) to (iii) of Article 9.2), subject to its relevant licensing, administrative and registration requirements. Such spouses or dependants can apply independently in their own capacity (and not necessarily as accompanying spouses or dependants) and shall not be barred by the Party granting them the right to work from taking up employment in a category other than that of managers, executives, or specialists solely on the ground that they as the accompanying spouses or dependants are already employed in its territory as managers, executives or specialists.”

When we put everything together as one, we can’t help to conclude that CECA has basically given Indian Nationals unlimited access to Singapore labour market and our lunches have basically sold off by PAP Government.

 

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

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31 Responses to “Diversion tactic of Chan Chun Sing and the truth about CECA”

  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    Well someone MUST clean the arse of the man who negotiates and the man who signed CECA…Ah Seng has time to be PM so no harm defending 2 arseHOLES…he may need them IF PaP is still in Power leh!!!

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  • Yoda:

    According to researchers, rabbits prefer grassland grazed by cows. The rabbits benefit from grass that has been grazed short by the cows as this is easier for rabbits to eat. Furthermore, this grazing relationship leads to a greater transfer of cow’s DNA to the rabbits through saliva.

    That explains why ‘Bugsy’ is talking ‘cow’ and ‘bull’ plus ‘cock’ which happens to share the same salivas.

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  • TL Tan:

    Minister Chan is right. Our government will never sell out Singaporeans. In this globalized world, talent will flow to where the jobs are. Indian workers are talented in their own ways, different from Singaporean talents. It is not a zero-rated game. Our skills can complement each other. However, If you can’t perform a job, then someone else will. It is up to us to keep ourselves competitive, and not rely on government protection

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  • Sinkie:

    Why does Chan still avoid giving us the figure for the actual number of India nationals working in Singapore – we seems to see them everywhere?

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  • Is Pappy concerned with us?:

    India has just pulled out of the Regional Cooperation Economic Partnership (RCEP) on largely socio-economic concerns to protect her own ordinary citizens, according to PM Modi.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/news-analysis/story/5-reasons-why-pm-modi-pulled-out-rcep-in-bangkok-1615825-2019-11-05

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  • Just Why?:

    Who are those legally licensed to spread falsehoods or another way of saying, exempted from telling you the truths?

    I always ask myself, Just Why do I need these lots of insincere Deceivers for? Absolutely NO REASON.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Maybe Chan Chun Sing thinks Singaporeans are idiots, cannot read.

    I cannot blame him anyway. Singaporeans are truly idiots, keeping voting idiot MPs into parliament.

    I just hope it will change coming GE!!

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  • time to start work, vote OPPO:

    nowadays we don’t trust 70% sheep. can be neighbour talking bad about pap because son no job even though from nus. can be ex colleague no job driving Grab. and such.

    but we just listen to what is ailing them, and then we tell the answer via vote OPPO message. from GE2015 experience, those who clam up the moment vote OPPO is mentioned we know for sure vote pap only. we stop talking to these.

    once in a while, there is this 70% sheep keen to hear some more, whatever the topic of interest. we then spend time with this 70% sheep. our hope is, after talking to 1,000 sheep, even 1 voting OPPO thereafter is a great success.

    why so hard up for New Government by OPPO? because as can be seen in Msia, without New Government by OPPO, pap clown and pap clown wife S$m cannot be investigated and confiscated. MUCH more, put them into jail needs New Government with new agc new cpib new spf new cj new bank negara.

    THESE cannot exist until New Government by OPPO is in power.

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  • HDB flats depreciates to ZERO:

    Straits Times: Next GE will decide if Singapore can sustain a good, stable Govt: PM Lee Hsien Loong

    Good? Really? Good for who? Not Singaporeans who have suffered from sky-high prices with stagnant wages. More Singaporean PMETs have lost their jobs to “cheap” (no CPF) foreigners since LHL became PM Price of HDB flats more than doubled while wages were stagnant. Productivity and wage growth have been mediocre. Singaporeans have 1st World COST of living with stagnant wages. Singapore is NOT 1st World in terms of wages, productivity, work quality and standard of living.

    The decision for Singaporeans at the next GE is a no brainer. PAP is a “spent force”. It is time to bury it with LKY. VTO. Vote for REGIME CHANGE.

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  • no one believes them anymore:

    if you believe those PAPs who speak from both sides of their mouth, then you die faster.
    he’s totally delusional or he’s never read the contracts himself , before opening his cake hole!
    useless bugger..everytime he speaks people fall asleep..
    hahaha!
    his pink boss said foreigners create ‘good jobs’ for SG.
    ask this minion where are the good jobs?
    all gone to their own countrymen, of course.
    its only natural human nature!
    this is a huge reason for recusing this incompetent party from governing us.
    no more ,no way,no how!

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  • Survey recently:

    Chan 虫 sing is correct ,CECA creates job for singaporean ,those singaporeancannot found job under Ceca can now drive Grab ,go jet ,foodpanda ,grab delivero workers ,Yes thank you very chan 虫sing.

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  • Asd:

    Where the cpf $ ??? What is the status ?? Will some educated scholar enlighten us ? It’s the nation $ by the people so why so silent ?

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  • Asd:

    Ah Seng think he super doper give him one ma ma shop to do trade he sure close shop 1 still want talk bigger as if he founder of Amazon or Gogglr

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  • Short sighted:

    The number of Singapore citizens is around 3.5 million.
    1 million are boomers, those born in 1946 to 1964.
    Those who are born in 1946 are already 73 years old, and majority of them have already retired.
    Our birth rate last year is 1.14.
    Today we are a major financial centre, air hub, having one of the busiest ports, and pharmaceutical, petrochemical and many many more economic pillars…These create different types of jobs & opportunities for Singaporeans.
    Imagine if today we are without the approximately 2 over million foreigners to help us. Many businesses won’t be here, many good jobs won’t be here, because there are not enough workers to support the industries.
    Even our status as a financial centre will disappear. And many opportunities will be lost.
    Worse still, with our birth rate of 1.14, it is a only a matter of time that we will be in serious decline and disappear.
    Who will suffer? The younger generation.
    Singapore is man-made.
    Jobs need to be created. Opportunities need to be created.
    They don’t come naturally.
    Only a irresponsible government will do nothing and let Singapore decline and let Singaporeans suffer.

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  • TruBlu:

    Ibdian leaders are too shrewd for our $cholar.
    Our LEEders are lousy TRADE NEGOTIATORS.

    Sg will continue to lose out with trade ministers like CCS.

    We need to have more steady hands in MTI.
    Or,we will be mere losers.

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  • MarBowling:

    This HKC aka Bugs Bunny Chan Bugger has NOT EVEN WORKED a SINGLE DAY in the BUSINESS and COMMERCIAL world and yet he wants to TALK like an EXPERT! He left the army as a MG(Marbok-General)and straight away Mai Hum put him On a super fast track to become a LEEder! Like his Brother Heng Sweet Cake, EXPECT this useless bum to also FLIP and FLOP! Big Nose Teo and the 69.9% what do you think?

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  • PAP Latest Meeting l:

    It was revealed that there are 2,500 PAP supporter attending this conference. I don’t think there are any Singaporeans who have lost their jobs to foreigners attending this meeting.

    From the TV you can see these people look happy, well fed and without any worries on their faces. Probably these are the supporters who are the Elites, the very rich and the contractors who get the business from the PAP town councils. I don’t see any homeless looking people, cardboard and tin collectors and haggard looking people struggling to get their daily meals among the crowds.

    This is the new Singapore. Do you want to continue to keep the status quo ? Its time to vote the PAP out.

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  • Agreement is Agreement:

    Our gov already signed allow India national workers free movement to Sg. Also India IT companies exempted from fair employment act. Even now Sg gov find India workers are full of lies, fake qualifications, Low productivity (and quality) Sg gov boh bian has to continue open floodgates and tell singaporean nothing wrong with the mom, ica, etc procedures, nothing wrong with their qualifications (bcos they have been screened by gov outsourced partner in India!!!).

    Sg gov will continue not to tell you the truth of many unqualified india workers Sg is importing, they cant integrate into Sg society (except some wayang at grass roots for some personal agendas), their productivity is Low., how much money has been lost in India investment, etc.

    Till CECA employment clauses are revoked then we see changes.

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  • 'Nature abhors a vacuum':

    //Even our status as a financial centre will disappear. And many opportunities will be lost.
    Worse still, with our birth rate of 1.14, it is a only a matter of time that we will be in serious decline and disappear.
    Who will suffer? The younger generation.
    Singapore is man-made.//

    aiyoh. why 1.14 in sinkie land ? and many advanced countries below 2.1 replacement level ? how many of our top white idiots and gang are replacing at 2.1 and above ?

    aiyoh. if 1.14 and not too many open-leg policy, naturally 1.14 will go up as the pressure and tension is not jiak-lat and stressful ? have you heard of ‘Nature abhors a vacuum’ ?

    aiyoh. a lot of people don’t have faith in the current order for TFR to be < 2.1 lar and younger generation will not be better off lar if 6.9m or 10m open-leg policy lar ?

    if population number = good jobs, then a lot of chat-ba-lang people coming from their countries with a lot of people will not have to leave in the first place and come to sinkie land lar ?

    read the article below ok and spread to all your white PLP kakis la ?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/04/05/the-world-economy-is-a-pyramid-scheme-steven-chu-says/#c4810f24f178

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  • oxygen:

    @ Shortsighted

    POPULATION RECYCLING ECONOMICS IS THE WRONG PATHWAY. Even Tharman, DPM said so in New Dehli.

    “It would be mindless to have an open border without any policy framework to govern and constrain the flow of people into your job market. It will not just be wrong politics but wrong economics.”

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2019/11/11/chan-didnt-disclose-that-there-is-no-economic-needs-test-or-quotas-on-agreed-services-under-ceca/

    The last 20 years we headed in the WRONG DIRECTION. And still is of aggravated acceleration of intent of this failed foreign influx agenda.

    Short sighted: The number of Singapore citizens is around 3.5 million.
    1 million are boomers, those born in 1946 to 1964.
    Those who are born in 1946 are already 73 years old, and majority of them have already retired.
    Our birth rate last year is 1.14.
    Today we are a major financial centre, air hub, having one of the busiest ports, and pharmaceutical, petrochemical and many many more economic pillars…These create different types of jobs & opportunities for Singaporeans.
    Imagine if today we are without the approximately 2 over million foreigners to help us. Many businesses won’t be here, many good jobs won’t be here, because there are not enough workers to support the industries.
    Even our status as a financial centre will disappear. And many opportunities will be lost.
    Worse still, with our birth rate of 1.14, it is a only a matter of time that we will be in serious decline and disappear.
    Who will suffer? The younger generation.
    Singapore is man-made.
    Jobs need to be created. Opportunities need to be created.
    They don’t come naturally.
    Only a irresponsible government will do nothing and let Singapore decline and let Singaporeans suffer.

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  • Stop Talking Cock:

    All the good paying jobs have been lost to the Indians. Just go around the banks, to Chennai Business park, and this reality strikes you like a ton of bricks !! Kee Chiu better not talk cock about CECA creating more jobs for PMETs. But it has definitely created more PHV driver, Grab food delivery boys jobs. In order not to go hungry, retrenched PMETs have resorted to driving PHV, delivering food and other Low paying jobs. You better think hard how to defend CECA in the upcoming GE. Don’t be like Ah Heng who got caught with his pants down in parliament.

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  • AristoCATs - Election Scare:

    NotMyProblem:
    Maybe Chan Chun Sing thinks Singaporeans are idiots, cannot read.

    . . .

    I just hope it will change coming GE!!

    -
    Many chimed in – “Agreed.”
    -
    Remember the Ballot Box !

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  • I am in IT:

    I can tell the first obstacle is actually the india national recruitment agent you likely bump into. Once cleared you have India national hiring manager whom likely won’t consider you bcos Singapore has no labour laws that prorect you.

    No luck Singaporean PMETs in IT, banking & finance, etc.

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  • Sinkie:

    What right has Chan Chun Sing got to scold ordinary Singaporeans?

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  • CECA Wide Open:

    1. Without “labour market testing” or quota means that an indian company can set up a branch in SG and effect as many intra-transfers as they want. The gov cannot stop them unless it can show there is a threat to national security or public health. Spouses and dependents) can come over and work in SG (9.6). Indian companies could set up branch offices in SG and create PMET positions to facilitate tranfers of whole families, and create jobs for their community.
    2. “Relevant minimum educational requirements or alternative credentials” (9.5.2 (c)) is very broad. It can include a “road-side” school diploma to “in-house” certification.

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  • Short sighted:

    @ nature abhors a vacuum
    Your link is not relevant https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/04/05/the-world-economy-is-a-pyramid-scheme-steven-chu-says/#dcda8ed4f178

    Singapore citizens is 3.5million
    Pioneer generation is four hundred over thousand people.
    Baby boomers is around 1.5 million people.
    Last year our birth rate is 1.14.
    So we’re severely in population declination.

    Your link on pyramid schemes are not relevant at all.

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  • Short sighted:

    @oxygen

    The last 20 years we headed in the WRONG DIRECTION. And still is of aggravated acceleration of intent of this failed foreign influx agenda.
    ////////////////////////////////////////////

    Wrong Direction???
    In year 1999 our GDP is 86 billion in USD
    https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=in+year+1999+singapore+gdp&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-sg&client=safari
    In year 2018 our GDP is 364 billion USD
    https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=singapore+gdp+2018&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-sg&client=safari
    So the last almost 20 years our GDP have grown how many times??

    You call this WRONG DIRECTION??

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  • oxygen:

    @ Short sighted.

    YOU ARE DEFINITELY SHORT-SIGHTED and not knowing or deliberately disingenuous. If GDP figures walked backward for 2 decades for any economy, its civilisation would have long gone extinct.

    If you take the same analytics to China and Australia, the numbers would be even far more impressive. The world walks 10 steps, we walked 4 only pumped up by massive foreign population influx, is this not warning that we are walking in the wrong direction?

    WE DIDN’T BUILT A STRONG DOMESTIC ECONOMIC SECTOR OF GLOBAL EXPORT RELEVANCE!

    Short sighted: Wrong Direction???
    In year 1999 our GDP is 86 billion in USD
    https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=in+year+1999+singapore+gdp&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-sg&client=safari
    In year 2018 our GDP is 364 billion USD
    https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=singapore+gdp+2018&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-sg&client=safari
    So the last almost 20 years our GDP have grown how many times??

    You call this WRONG DIRECTION??

    DPM Tharman didn’t talk nonsense in New Dehli when he said this

    DPM Tharman : It would be mindless to have an open border without any policy framework to govern and constrain the flow of people into your job market. It will not just be wrong politics but wrong economics.

    He was talking to top Indian dignitaries and in front of foreign journalists.

    ASK HIM TO AVOID DOUBT IF OUR ECONOMY IS NOT WALKING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION OF RELIANCE ON FORIEIGN INFLUX AND NO DOMESTIC ECONOMIC SECTOR.

    THAT I BELIEVE, fully explains why the Committee for Future Economy in 2017 made no recommendation of the preferred pathway and direction forward.

    PAPpynomics IS CLUELESS of our economic direction and forward survival route.

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  • 2.1 TFR replacement rate:

    //Your link is not relevant https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/04/05/the-world-economy-is-a-pyramid-scheme-steven-chu-says/#dcda8ed4f178

    Singapore citizens is 3.5million
    Pioneer generation is four hundred over thousand people.
    Baby boomers is around 1.5 million people.
    Last year our birth rate is 1.14.
    So we’re severely in population declination.//

    very relevant lar ? just that many interest people like you just don’t want to know the implications lar ? make hay while the sun shines and leave the dry ground to others in the future ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore

    as per website, 1985 = population = 2.7m and 2000 = 4m and thereafter still going up or moving towards open-leg policy of 6.9m or 10m ?

    logically, if you tok about needing 2.1 TFR replacement rate, then on balance population should roughly stay at the same level throughout the period (give and take a few or tens of thousands here and there factoring in timing difference). but we are not as the white idiots are now trying to distract / fool daft sinkies as a TRF problem or aging ?

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  • have struck 2m+ lottery:

    //Wrong Direction???
    In year 1999 our GDP is 86 billion in USD
    https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=in+year+1999+singapore+gdp&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-sg&client=safari
    In year 2018 our GDP is 364 billion USD//

    aiyoh. good for many also bad (the exploited ones) for many ?

    aiyoh. just becos you have struck 2m+ lottery does not mean other’s pocket is going to grow lar ? in fact, looking from another perspective, your sudden better purchasing power after striking lottery may inflate the price of someone’s affordability lar ?

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  • something wrong (net negative):

    //So the last almost 20 years our GDP have grown how many times??//

    aiyoh ? if it is so good (in a good way) ? everything should be self-funded (with the existing list of taxes) in a nice and comfortable way with plenty of surplus right ? then why GST rate needs to keep on increasing ?

    and if the white idiots say the need for the rate increase (affecting everyone) is to support some problematic ones (a particular cohort), then there is something wrong (net negative) about the system right ?

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