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Appalled by the PAP arguments in Parliament on why the police would be allowed use of the TraceTogether information

I was frankly appalled by the PAP arguments in Parliament yesterday on why the police would be allowed use of the TraceTogether information in “serious” crimes.

It was pathetic that Vivian Balakrishnan – who assured Singaporeans last June that the TraceTogether data would only be for use to combat the virus – could tell Singaporeans that he did not realise the implications of the Criminal Procedure Code when he gave the assurance and that he had had sleepless nights deliberating whether he should try to persuade his colleagues to change the law.

When he gave the assurance last June, he would have known that there were real concerns in the public that the information could be used for other purposes, and that was why the assurance was given. And when the government has given its word, they should jolly well change the law, which can easily be done, if that is what is needed to keep their word. Don’t hide behind the skirt of some law like the Criminal Procedure Code, to backtrack on your promise to Singaporeans.

They need not even change the law if they were serious about keeping their word. The Government could issue a directive to the Police that they would not be allowed access to the information, period. Look how resolute the Australian Government has been in not allowing the Australian Police to have access to their tracing information.

Shanmugam’s argument that there could be judicial review challenges if the police are absolutely prohibited from accessing the information is nonsense. It once again attempts to introduce fallacious legal arguments to cloud a clear-cut issue. Once a Government has issued an assurance, that constitutes a compact with the citizens and to suggest that the courts will go behind that compact is rubbish.

It is Singaporeans, and not Vivian Balakrishnan, who should be losing a lot of sleep over this Government volte-face, and it is consistent with how they went back on their word that CPF could be withdrawn at 55 and how HDB properties will become valueless at the end of 99 years when the earlier assurance was that it would be always rise in value.

And in November 2019, Lee Hsien Loong told Singaporeans they had to give the PAP a strong mandate, as the world was watching, especially at a time of leadership transition. After the GE, the narrative led by Jayakumar changed to “Let’s not change horses midstream”! These useless so called 4G Ministers can’t even take over after years of sitting in Government.

Finally, it was very sad to see that none of the so-called ‘Lawyer’ MPs had the courage to interrogate the PAP Ministers more forcefully in Parliament over this issue the last 2 days. Their arguments should have been shredded to pieces in the full glare of live TV.

 

Lim Tean

 

 

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24 Responses to “Appalled by the PAP arguments in Parliament on why the police would be allowed use of the TraceTogether information”

  • How tracing can be abused:

    For example, a person protests by holding a piece of paper that says “PAP is God”.

    Police arrest him for illegal protest. They check his Tracetogether, find those who had been with him for the last few days or weeks, and arrest them for protest.

    Not possible?

    Remember the court decided that individuals walking very far apart, hundreds of meters or even a few km apart, can be considered as protesting together. True court case.

    It is very plausible that being together for some time will be considered as accomplices.

    The gov has not provided any guarantee. Anyway, their guarantees are like toilet papers. Worst. Toilet papers have some use.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Dear All,
    Lim Tean is another AngMo Tua Kee /Ang <a href="#comment-1111111"Mo My <a href="#comment-1111111"Master.(AMTK/AMMM)
    Everything must obey AMTK/AMMM.

    Singapore has no place for AMTK/AMMM (Oxygen, Roy and the likes)
    And Singapore has no place for China Tua Kee/China My Master (Tan Kin Lian, Goh Meng Seng and the likes) (CTK/CMM)

    Americunt/Britcunt/Cinacunt is a constant diet feed of 1% truth, 99% lies, fantasy and propaganda.

    Singapore is for Singapore Tua Kee.
    Singapore’s interest come first. (Yes, country interest come first, then follow by Singaporeans interest)

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain

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  • xoxo:

    I applaud CRIME-fighting as long as it is genuine and not for the political advantage of any group of sgs.
    BUT,abusing the original intent of using TRACERS meant for public HEALTH REASON by allowing the police to make use of the data captured is unethical and an INFRINGEMENT of trust.

    Its like EYEing greedily at sgs’ LONG-TERM RETIREMENT SAVINGS ,IE,CPF SAVINGS,and CONjuring all sorts of schemes to suck their CPF DRY?
    THE ORIGINAL GOOD INTENT BECOMES ABUSED AND TURNS NEGATIVE for citizens???

    Same it is for HDB practices and pricing by allowing NON-SGS TO BUY AND MAKE SPECULATIVE PROFITS FROM THEIR HDB OWNERSHIP THAT MANY CATEGORIES OF SGS LIKE SINGLES AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN BARRED FROM BUYING/OWNING!

    THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF BREACHES BUT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OPPO MPs to stop the wrongful actions.

    We need a fair parliament in SG.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Lim Tean

    I fully agree with what you have said. The last part of your posts clearly is in consonant with my accusation that the wayang-party MPs are in Parliament to wayang in a way which would not seriously question the policy deficiencies and failures of the emperor without clothes regime.

    I would also like to add to your comments as follows:

    >>he Government could issue a directive to the Police that they would not be allowed access to the information, period.<>After the GE, the narrative led by Jayakumar changed to “Let’s not change horses midstream”! <>These useless so called 4G Ministers can’t even take over after years of sitting in Government.<<

    It is my take that the problem lies with the emperor without clothes and I have given the example of his crap that wearer of face mask does not protect the wearer. Actually there are more examples…………one of which I have given was then Finance Minister Dr Richard Hu's complaint IN PARLIAMENT that the emperor without clothes, then as the Minister for Trade and Industry, had gone up to the MOF to remove certain files without Dr Hu's permission. Not long ago in 2020, there was a critical comment by independent economists of the inefficiencies in govt spending…….not to mention the indefensible investments, altho' some would consider those failures as gambles, by Temasek Holdings and non-disclosure of the TH CEO's salary.

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  • Flabbergasted:

    Well said Mr. Lim Tean.

    I was thoroughly disappointed in listening to the shitty excuses given by both Vivian and Shanmugan. Yes off course Australia is a democracy true to its word whereas Singapore is a ?????????
    All this talk about having sleepless nights is a bloody excuse and to win sympathy votes.
    Singaporeans need to wake up and stand up for their rights or else its going to be another whitewash by the PaPpies.
    As for the legally trained Pappies in parliament I rest my case…

    Cheers

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  • Singaporeans R Free Rider:

    Hello Stupid pro democracy nuts,
    Eat this. Hahahahahaha your AMTK Trump refused to concede defeat and instigate rioting.
    川普支持者闖入國會 與警察衝突掀暴動|TVBS新聞
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akBVZI-fSeo

    This is the bias reporting of Western reporters.
    1. When their own kind turn violence, their reporters call them mobs.
    2. When dumb Hong Kee turn violence, their reporters call them pro democracry demonstrators.

    Hahahahahahaha… Now, why all the democratic nuts here all go silent… diam..diam..diam.. when the hard truth is revealed ?

    MONEY Come First, China terrible abuse of human rights not important. Read on…
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/31/asia/eu-china-trade-deal-human-rights-us-intl-hnk/index.html

    Ang Mo/Cina is quick to sell you out for PROFIT.. MONEY… hahahaha

    Ang Mo/Cina is a constant diet feed of 1% truth, 99% lies, fantasy and propaganda.

    Money talks, bullshit walks

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Huat.Again

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  • Go to court before Trace:

    Miss Vivian shd keep to his original profession of seeing eyeballs

    He seems to always cockup?

    Then he will ask that he allowed to speak frankly……..frankly cockup?

    Don’t mix disease with Police…………..otherwise it’s a Policestate.

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  • Useless 4Gs:

    Trust once lost is not easy to recover..

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  • 61% mandated:

    Excuse me , 61% mandated ok.

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  • Asd:

    I think say but will not do then no say but will do educated people don’t behave like this

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  • Create n changed by lawmakers:

    Peng Lai Peng Kher.

    Erosion of Good Governance!

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  • PAP is above the Law CRIMINAL:

    PAP has again and again break the laws just becos they have the large majority in Parliament. With the compliant bureaucracy they think they r above the law n make the police n judicial as they privately own Isn’t that what Lawrence Wong is telling Singapore thst thevgovernment of Singapore is privately owned! Digrace n disgusting that the career bureaucrats r willing to kiss the asrses of these political scum n forgobtheir humam soul, values n dignity. Whenever these political and career bureaucrats appear they have the brain stain all over them.
    Singapore PAP is cowardice that all of these polscum hides behind the low grade human scums n exploit all that fit in their holes. 100 millions, 25 millions, 28 milliond and ultimately 60+++ billions with claimed no accountability by humkachan. Singaporeans if not waking up soon will have the us marines standing with papists bootlicking.
    Pap is not better than communists!

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  • GoJack:

    Ask Fake nepalese “Go Jack yourself!”

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  • Harder Truths:

    This is why they need to take over the Presidency, A real President will not let this go. But then again, a real President will never happen in a one party communist state.

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  • Precocity for Mendacious Spin:

    That frankly appalling & patronising attitude is signature pappy. Big brother tells you how to go about your lives; you’re never supposed to tell them go look in the mirror first, you understand o siginna….?

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  • PAP CLOSE DOWN:

    Isn’t Singapore for EVERYONE? Tua kee, sway kee, bor kee…

    NEXT ELECTION WP GUARANTEE WIN MORE GRCs.
    $WP$ HUAT HUAT HUAT!

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Dear All,
    Lim Tean is another AngMo Tua Kee /Ang <a href=”#comment-1111111″Mo My <a href=”#comment-1111111″Master.(AMTK/AMMM)
    Everything must obey AMTK/AMMM.

    Singapore has no place for AMTK/AMMM (Oxygen, Roy and the likes)
    And Singapore has no place for China Tua Kee/China My Master (Tan Kin Lian, Goh Meng Seng and the likes) (CTK/CMM)

    Americunt/Britcunt/Cinacunt is a constant diet feed of 1% truth, 99% lies, fantasy and propaganda.

    Singapore is for Singapore Tua Kee.
    Singapore’s interest come first. (Yes, country interest come first, then follow by Singaporeans interest)

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain

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  • Legal to Harass debtors?:

    Does singapore Law allow Loan Sharks to legally harass debtors?

    I find this sg news like a Joke :

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/man-jailed-cheating-loan-shark-taking-money-for-harassment-13903346

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  • Realistically:

    As I’ve said earlier, in June 2020, Balakrishnan & Lawrence Wong gave the assurance that the data on the TT token was meant for contact tracing purposes ONLY….PERIOD. As Kristen Han had also shown, then DPM Teo Chee Hean, replying to a question from PAP backbench lawyer who was also a Senior counsel said that: ““The close contacts data gathered by TraceTogether will be stored only on the user’s phone in the first instance, and accessed by MOH only if the individual tests positive for COVID-19. It will only be used for contact tracing.”

    Mr Teo reiterated this in Parliament on Oct 5 of last year when he said that the data on TraceTogether would be kept for up to 25 days and shared with the Ministry of Health “for contact tracing in the unfortunate (and hopefully unlikely) circumstance that the user tests positive for COVID-19.”

    One wonders WHY it has taken more than SIX MONTHS for the Ministers now to clarify that the Police has power under the Criminal Procedure Code to use the data on the TT token……ie the Ministers Balakrishnan, Lawrence Wong and (then) DPM Teo Chee Hean had misled Parliament and the public about the confidentiality of the TT token data…………AFTER the announcement that the TT token has been signed out by more than 70% of sinkies. It also begs the question that since it is the MULTI-MINISTERIAL task force, why did not Ministers Bala & Lawrence Wong consult the Law & Home Minister about the CPC even as the latter would have been implemented several hundred times a day in the prosecution of criminals?

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  • oxygen:

    TWO WORDS ONLY – broken trust.

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  • GoJack ourselves:

    oxygen:
    TWO WORDS ONLY – broken trust.

    So Different from LKY era.

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  • Realistically:

    Sinkies while they continue their prolific adverse comments on the suspicious nature of the emperor without clothes handling of the TT token matter should find it strange that the wayang-party MPs and their low life IBs have FAILED to call out the emperor without clothes Ministers’ very different version as regards the CRIMINAL PROCEDURE CODE fiasco AND whether the PM etc should take the lead in having the COVID-19 vaccine themselves…………ie the wayang-party MP have all gone MISSING and FAILED to live up to their duties and responsibilities of supposedly providing some sort of check and balance…………while they SHAMELESSLY continue to receive their monthly MP allowance. They obviously CANNOT give the lame excuse that the emperor without clothes refused to provide them the FACTS when all the relevant and necessary FACTS are in the PUBLIC DOMAIN.

    What’s the wayang-party MPs’ excuse this time?

    SHAME on you and your low life IBs as even the PSP’s NCMP Leong Mun Wai have raised certain pertinent questions while there had been SILENCE from the wayang-party MPs….

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  • Realistically:

    By the way, there should have been INDEPENDENT verification as to whether the emperor without clothes had really received the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and that he should have video-taped and transmit LIVE when he was said to have been given the vaccine.

    I read that he said that the vaccine injection was painless, when news reports have stated that one of the very bad side effect was the PAIN resulting from the injection which could last for several hours.

    Given the FACTS and circumstances which reasonably leads one to be very suspicious of what the emperor without clothes regime and his 158th media publish, there is no reason to believe what the emperor without clothes say that it was PAINLESS…………..which could also mean that he was NOT given the actual Pfizer vaccine……..which is which? I do NOT know…….sinkies can form their own opinion after what have been commented on this and other threads and fora on the subject.

    Oh, dun depend on the wayang-party MPs to discharge their duties and responsibilities on the said questions and issues…………after all they have shown themselves as free-loaders waiting for others to criticise and call out the emperor without clothes failures and also self-contradictory and further cause sinkies NOT to have trust and confidence in them………

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  • No joke:

    If you promise a loan shark that you will do something and never do, that’s cheating.

    If you promise citizens that you will not do certain things, and you do. That’s what eh?

    Legal to Harass debtors?:
    Does singapore Law allow Loan Sharks to legally harass debtors?

    I find this sg news like a Joke :

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/man-jailed-cheating-loan-shark-taking-money-for-harassment-13903346

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  • Realistically:

    Aiya, sinkies should know by now that SINKaPOOR is NOT a rule OF Law country lah…………even judges can breach their Oath of office per the First Schedule (Form 6) of the Constitution of the Republic of Singapore and other Articles therein; breach of NATURAL JUSTICE and of course contravention of the Rule of Law………despite their propaganda praising the system sky high and the WAYANG-PARTY MPs conspicuous SILENCE and wayanging in Parliament and their low life IBs giving nonsensical excuses like the PAPies command overwhelming majority……….even on NATIONAL ISSUES and other important matters which ONLY require DEBATE with NO VOTING involved…………….

    So what on earth are these WAYANG-party MPs doing to justify being paid $16k a month MP allowance, since their attitude/unjustifiable excuse is that the PAPies command overwhelming majority in Parliament?

    To me the WAYANG-party & its MPs together with their low life IBs are engaged in SWINDLE………aka s*ake-oil tactics………..to the DETRIMENT of sinkies and country.

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