Carrying around a device that could possibly involve us in any police investigation

“[Many] others [myself included] would not be comfortable carrying around a device that could possibly involve us in any police investigation even if we were innocent or merely eyewitnesses.”

Yes, that’s a good point.

We use the TraceTogether app voluntarily and in good faith, with trust in what the govt says – that it is “purely for contact tracing, period.”

But now, we may be forced (?), ordered (?), by the police to hand over our TT device in whatever investigation just because we happen to be near the scene of a crime or offence, even if we ourselves are not at all involved.

This is a betrayal of trust. Period.


Andrew Loh




22 Responses to “Carrying around a device that could possibly involve us in any police investigation”

  • Scary...:

    For no rhyme or reason, doors could be getting knocks by and the opener has to spend time answering probing questions? He or she has to come down in person to the designated place?

    How professional the investing parties articulate their gruelling procedure is left to be experienced by the wholly innocents. Geez…

    Could there be likely incidences of disrespectful or wrongful harassment?

    Professional conduct is much to be seen.

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  • It's worse, a lot worse:

    “just because we happen to be near the scene of a crime or offence,”

    It’s a lot worse.

    It’s not just location, but also time.

    For anyone at the crime location, those in contact with him/her before and after the crime will also be of interest.

    Who help him plan the crime?
    Who help him after the crime?
    And who are the suay suay ones?

    Furthermore, the contacts of the contacts may be of interest. E.g. someone A robs a gold shop, A dispose of the jewellery to B, B sells to C, and so on. So A, B, C are all of interest. If the disposal happens at a hawker centre, all those sitting near to A will also get it from the police.

    You may be innocently eating at a hawker centre and days later the police interrogate you throughout the night (remember Parti?) for a robbery a month ago. Scary? Of course.

    It’s a lot worse.

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  • GoJack yoursel:

    Control freaks have a natural tendency when no one dares tell them to fk off.

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  • Billy ma:

    Surprise surprise!

    For many who’d being checking the manner PAP manipulate rules & laws for their advantage, this latest act of contempt is really expected.

    Guess what, next step PAP will declare that this tracing will goes on for at least 3 years.
    And then give more excuses to extend it further.

    So get use to the surprises.
    It’s better for the heart.


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  • Anonymous:

    “If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…….and we will deserve it.” – Lindsey Graham.

    There are worldwide idiots never use their brain.

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  • Shiok Shiok:

    As I have said;

    Many people shiok shiok collected the token or downloaded the Apps and didn’t realize the TROUBLE of the LAW until one day his whole family and himself get the isolation order/notice because someone token recorded their token ID.

    Also even the common corridor of the HDB becomes a threat since the token is always ON.

    Now, the Men in Blue can also call them up for criminal investigation.

    I laughed to the toilet how silly those 61% + 14% silly nuts participated in a frame to make lives difficult.

    With their “making lives difficult technique”, Now, new way to make lives more difficult, more testing and other requirements if you have not be jabbed.

    watch : “Gan overrided LHL or the cabinet ministers on reverse gear?”

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  • Realistically:

    @ Andrew Loh

    Dun run away with another piece of toking cok & act as if u r anti-PAP …..

    January 6, 2021 at 5:20 pm (Quote)

    Andrew Loh goes through the MOTION to show that he is anti-PAP.
    He should have called upon the wayang-party MPs to introduce a Bill to amend the CPC to exclude the authority of the emperor without clothes Police to access the trace together data……
    Snake oil salesman talk is what the wayang-party IBs are good at lah……

    January 6, 2021 at 10:06 pm (Quote)
    The prima facie fact about the TRAVESTIES OF JUSTICE even at the highest level of Govt which consists of the Executive; Parliament and the Judiciary only goes to show that there is no reason to trust and have confidence in the much lower rung Police who is under the control of the Home Affairs Minister whose so-called Parliament Statement on the Parti Liyani’s case has been shown to be a FARCE.
    Teo Soh Lung et al have complained about the Police taking away their handphones and computers, even though the alleged offence did NOT justify such Police action, which I would describe as an abuse of power.
    So where on earth is Andrew Loh hiding instead of defending his wayang-party IB’s comment?

    January 6, 2021 at 10:59 pm (Quote)
    @ Andrew Loh

    I made my earlier post without the benefit of reading the TOC article that NCMP Leong Mun Wai of the PSP had asked Vivian Balakrishnan regarding the latter’s assurance last year that the TT token allegedly to combat the spread of the COVID-19 would strictly be used for contact tracing purpose ONLY………..until it was revealed in Parliament yesterday that the Police is empowered under the Criminal Procedure Code to access data from the TT token.
    TOC has now reported the following in the Parliament sitting on 6/1/21 what Minister Balakrishnan said:
    “Prior to Mr Leong’s question, Dr Balakrishnan said that he “did have sleepless nights wondering” if he should persuade his colleagues in the House to change the law.
    He added that he would be “happy” to hear any suggestions for legislative or policy changes regarding the issue from other MPs, including the Leader of the Opposition Pritam Singh”
    So the Minister has confirmed that the wayang-party MPs could, if they are not in Parliament to wayang, introduce their “suggestions for legislative or policy changes regarding the issue of forbidding the Police from accessing the data on the TT token……………just as I have said in my earlier post.

    So Andrew Loh: what say you…… going to call out the wayang-party MPs for their wayanging or are you now hiding behind He Ting Ru and or Sylvia Lim’s dress?

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  • Elites screw Singaporeans:

    Hear that LHL got his first vaccine jab today.Most Singaporeans prey that this DISHONOURABLE SON
    will have allergic reaction to the vaccine and go into a vegetative state.
    That is the best that can happen to Singapore.

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  • Tremendous:

    Having the police to take the TTs anytime is really going to freak everyone out with this new move. Cannot rope in villagers involuntarily on case investigations when the law chief and his commissioner cronies are paid so high in aircon rooms.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    What’s wrong if u are a innocent bystander or a witness to a crime. U witness some injustice, u are invited to give an account of what u have witnessed, to assist the police. Since u not involved in any crime , why fear ?

    身正不怕影子斜! Or is all this a bs as bad boy highlighted.

    Or u have ghosts in the heart ?

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  • opposition dude:

    This is why I was saying earlier when the app was released that it’s very suspicious. For one thing it wants Bluetooth turned on and when you first set it up it asks you for permission to take photos and record video. Why would a contact tracing app need to take photos and record video, it isn’t required. Now we know why.

    In the event that the mata contact you they will be looking at the pictures that the app took and any video recorded for their investigations that’s why.

    This is why I only switch on Bluetooth when I have to enter a building/shop and switch it off the moment I leave the building. Helps to save battery power too. So for those who are working from home please remember to switch off Bluetooth if you aren’t using it, at least this causes the app not to function properly.

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  • opposition dude:
    This is why I was saying earlier when the app was released that it’s very suspicious.For one thing it wants Bluetooth turned on and when you first set it up it asks you for permission to take photos and record video.Why would a contact tracing app need to take photos and record video, it isn’t required.Now we know why.

    There are many apps im China which also ask for all permissions when it is being installed. However, you can individually turn off these useless permissions under the mobile’ system settings.

    For example, I have a book reader that also ask for access to camera, phone contacts and location, which it obviously it does not need. So I just enter the phone’s settings, permission and individually turn off these permissions.

    Since it is a Bluetooth device, then I don’t think it needs the permission to connected to the internet, be it WIFI or DATA, so that can also safely turn off as well, unless it need to do something ‘behind-the-scene’.

    I have a few old mobiles lying around, will download and install the app and then run some tests on it. See got anything fishy or not.

    Where to download ar???

    @Elites screw Singaporeans

    The MSM say he took the shot izzit? Got on LIVE TV or not? If no TV, you believe meh?

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  • Realistically:

    As I’ve said earlier, in June 2020, Balakrishnan & Lawrence Wong gave the assurance that the data on the TT token was meant for contact tracing purposes ONLY….PERIOD. As Kristen Han had also shown, then DPM Teo Chee Hean, replying to a question from PAP backbench lawyer who was also a Senior counsel said that: ““The close contacts data gathered by TraceTogether will be stored only on the user’s phone in the first instance, and accessed by MOH only if the individual tests positive for COVID-19. It will only be used for contact tracing.”

    Mr Teo reiterated this in Parliament on Oct 5 of last year when he said that the data on TraceTogether would be kept for up to 25 days and shared with the Ministry of Health “for contact tracing in the unfortunate (and hopefully unlikely) circumstance that the user tests positive for COVID-19.”

    One wonders WHY it has taken more than SIX MONTHS for the Ministers now to clarify that the Police has power under the Criminal Procedure Code to use the data on the TT token……ie the Ministers Balakrishnan, Lawrence Wong and (then) DPM Teo Chee Hean had misled Parliament and the public about the confidentiality of the TT token data…………AFTER the announcement that the TT token has been signed out by more than 70% of sinkies. It also begs the question that since it is the MULTI-MINISTERIAL task force, why did not Ministers Bala & Lawrence Wong consult the Law & Home Minister about the CPC even as the latter would have been implemented several hundred times a day in the prosecution of criminals?

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  • Very stupid:

    Cum Lan!

    Look how china does it since January 2020 – only one single measure which sg copied it in June.

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  • Sruveillance Nation:

    It is demeaning to force a person to carry a monitoring device so that his/her movement and people around him can be tracked down. Criminals on probation and animals are made to wear tracking devices so that they can be tracked down when they go missing.

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  • Educate sunkens y Democracy:

    This is why Democracy though may come with some uncertainty is an insurance against a Fk Up garment.

    It allows peaceful deflowering of the fk up garment.

    Absolut Power can Corkrupt Absolutely.

    The zombies are unable to discern the problems.

    They will wake up onky if they suffer extremely much more .

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  • Realistically:

    Re-post of my comments in a related thread:

    By the way, there should have been INDEPENDENT verification as to whether the emperor without clothes had really received the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine and that he should have video-taped and transmit LIVE when he was said to have been given the vaccine.

    I read that he said that the vaccine injection was painless, when news reports have stated that one of the very bad side effect was the PAIN resulting from the injection which could last for several hours.

    Given the FACTS and circumstances which reasonably leads one to be very suspicious of what the emperor without clothes regime and his 158th media publish, there is no reason to believe what the emperor without clothes say that it was PAINLESS…………..which could also mean that he was NOT given the actual Pfizer vaccine……..which is which? I do NOT know…….sinkies can form their own opinion after what have been commented on this and other threads and fora on the subject.

    Oh, dun depend on the wayang-party MPs to discharge their duties and responsibilities on the said questions and issues…………after all they have shown themselves as free-loaders waiting for others to criticise and call out the emperor without clothes failures and also self-contradictory and further cause sinkies NOT to have trust and confidence in them………

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  • Realistically:

    PM Lee Hsien Loong: “..painless, effective, and important”

    Really “painless”? Could be that he just got a saline jab which would be painless lah……….just my speculation and NOT factual.

    I invite people to read the advisory of the US Federal Drug Administration at its website:

    “Common Side Effects

    The most commonly reported side effects, which typically lasted several days, were pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, and fever. Of note, more people experienced these side effects after the second dose than after the first dose, so it is important for vaccination providers and recipients to expect that there may be some side effects after either dose, but even more so after the second dose.”

    The US FDA’s site is NOT spewing FAKE news BUT FACTUAL based on scientific and thorough medical tests and data………….recognised throughout the WORLD, unlike the propaganda of the emperor without clothes regime and the 158th ranked media.

    If what the emperor without clothes said his vaccination was “painless” I just wonder how that could be so, in the light of the FDA advisory…………….perhaps the emperor without clothes did NOT receive the Pfizer vaccine, but something else……….I cannot think of any other explanation. Also, it would have been more believable his injection was independently verified, say with Prof Thambyah as witness to the authenticity of the vaccine and whether the emperor without clothes DID feel the pain, but chose to say otherwise.


    Sinkies might like to know what the US FDA has to say about the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine:


    The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.<<

    I suggest that it is PREMATURE for the emperor without clothes to claim that the vaccine is “effective”, although the clinical trials thus far show that the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines are 95% effective………….but the LONG-TERM effects would not be known until maybe years later.

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  • Surveillance Nation:

    Criminals, sex-offenders and animals are made to wear tracking devices. In a democratic country, citizens should be respected and treated with dignity and not like criminals or animals. They must have known all along that the TT device can be used for “contact tracing” other than for Covid 19. The smart citizens of SG know better. Even FTs from the third world are not stupid. If they engage in any illegal/terrorist activities or hang out with the wrong crowd, they know they will soon be tracked down.

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  • WP Voter:

    It is the beginning of the end.

    The world is moving fast towards surveillance using some kind of “tracker” for transactions–buy and sell.

    Eventually, it will be:
    “[Rev 13:16-18 NASB] 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and [he provides] that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, [either] the name of the b***t or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the b***t, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.”

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  • Soccerbetting2Ĺ:

    Reported on Straits Times :Quote -”KUALA LUMPUR – Malaysia’s Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin on Monday (Jan 11) announced fresh nationwide movement restrictions to curb the soaring number of Covid-19 cases.

    Five states – Melaka, Johor, Penang, Selangor and Sabah – and the federal territories of Kuala Lumpur, Labuan and Putrajaya will re-enter the movement control order (MCO), where social activities and gatherings are banned.

    “Our health system can no longer afford to handle 2,000 daily Covid-19 cases. It is at a breaking point,” Tan Sri Muhyiddin said in a televised address.

    “To break the Covid-19 chain, the government, with the advice of the Health Ministry, has decided to implement the movement control order (MCO) for a period of 14 days.”

    He said these measures will kick in from Wednesday to Jan 26.

    The states of Pahang, Perak, Negeri Sembilan, Kedah, Terengganu and Kelantan will be placed under the less-stringent conditional MCO, while Perlis and Sarawak will be placed under the recovery phase of the MCO.

    Under the conditional MCO, most businesses are allowed to operate but religious, cultural, recreational, and sporting activities are banned. And the states under recovery MCO allow social gatherings and inter-state travels with some limitations such as safe distancing.

    Malaysia is experiencing a spike in cases since a third wave of infections began to sweep across the country from September, threatening to overwhelm the public hospitals, 15 of which Mr Muhyiddin said was already nearing capacity.

    Malaysia recorded 2,232 new cases and 4 new deaths on Monday. It now has a total of 138,224 Covid-19 cases and 555 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic.

    Health director-general Noor Hisham Abdullah on Sunday said he was particularly worried about the high number of deaths in recent weeks. Since Jan 1, there have been 71 fatalities. In comparison, there had been fewer than 100 fatalities recorded in the first nine months of 2020. The number of cases, which has averaged about 2,000 in recent weeks, reached a record of 3,027 on Jan 7.

    Two Cabinet ministers tested positive for the disease over the weekend.

    Economic Affairs Minister Mustapa Mohamed tested positive for the coronavirus last Saturday, three days after he attended a Parti Pribumi Bersatu Malaysia (Bersatu) meeting at which Mr Muhyiddin and several other Cabinet members were present.

    Datuk Seri Rina Mohd Harun, the Women, Family and Community Development Minister, tested positive for the disease on Sunday. She was admitted to hospital on Monday.

    Two other ministers who sat next to Datuk Seri Mustapa at the Wednesday meeting, namely Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Mohd Redzuan Yusof and Communications and Multimedia Minister Saifuddin Abdullah, have gone into quarantine….”Unquote .

    Response :Malaysia never implement trace together token to solve corona virus problem ? ?? Two weeks MCO enough meh ?

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Wow,this trace together token is very effective in eliminating gambling illegally at gambling den houses, will easily be identified out by trace together token bluetooth each other particulars(encrypted data) .Very fast,the evil police women forces control by evil woman Josephine Teo Li Min of Home Affairs will send every illegal gamblers a letter to pay $300 social gathering offences fine !Wow ,b***t Josephine get in easy fined money into police account ! Pui ! What about those extra marital affairs people easily being identified ?And all those opposition party gathering straight away identified out ? So XXX so and so is an opposition member ? Cannot escape !

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