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A one party state is a better form of government

I like the political system adopted by China.

I like a country to be run by one political party. Any one interested in politics can join that party and vote for the leadership in the party using a democratic process.

I like the voting to be carried out at different levels. The ordinary members vote for their leaders at the primary level. These leaders vote for their leaders at the higher levels.

The voting goes through different levels until it reach the top level for the country.

At each stage, the people cast their votes for people that they know, that they have worked with. Generally, they are likely to know the character and the values of the people that they voted for.

This system is better than a democratic process where the voters vote for the top leader without knowing much of their background or character. The voting is likely to be swayed by “populism” and “electoral promises” which are not likely to be kept.

If the leadership in a one party system is corrupt or incompetent, it is likely to be replaced by interval voting within the one party.

It is possible that a strong leader may emerge, that will silence its opponents and perpetuate his rule through oppressive means.

While this is possible, it is unlikely to happen in a big diverse country like China. A leader that rules for a long time is likely to have the support of the party members, and by extension, the people at large.

No system is perfect. Any system can have its flaws. This applies to the one party system adopted in China. But there are sufficient checks and balances within the party to deal with corruption and incompetency.

Advocates of the liberal democratic system adopted by western countries argue that their system allows them to replace the government by a different political party.

The governance must be quite rotten for the country to adopt this approach. It is better for the top leadership to be replaced within the party. The disruption to the country will be less harmful.

It is easy to bring down a government by voting the incumbent out at the ballot box. It is not easy to find a replacement government that is better.

A change of government is usually followed by a period of great political uncertainty as the different party obstruct each other out of party politics, rather than to find solutions to the problems faced by the country.

I opt for a political system based on a one party state.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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94 Responses to “A one party state is a better form of government”

  • What's stopping you?:

    Go ahead. Migrate.
    On the other hand, home is already very close to what you want. No need to migrate.

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  • xoxo:

    A DICTATORSHIP IS ONE *PARTY*,THE SOLE PARTY?
    So too Military Junta.
    Look at Sg,the govt is formed by ONE PARTY.
    GOOD meh?
    Suka suka say MY CPF IS NOT MY MONEY?
    Suka suka say INCREASE GST.
    AND,DUMP MORE FTs?

    You are nuts.
    You think China system suits every country?
    Where is Check n Balance?

    China system is only good for China.
    They have their reasons n circumstances.

    Obviously,our own ONE PARTY GOVT seems to be inclined to screw us?
    So,one party govt no good for us.

    But if you like China so much,why not uproot to your ancestral *home*?
    Maybe you can take over XJP one day?

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  • mike:

    I respect TKL’s undying love for CCP.

    It is a much lovable topic compared to SG politics.
    As president of CCP foreign advertising branch, he is doing a great job!

    50c must be lying, TKL did not say ‘everyone in China’ can vote but only cult members can vote, which make perfect sense as member’s privilege.

    Just like SG, its a privilege to vote in a GE or PE.

    ——

    Dear @ TKL

    You mentioned …
    TKL: ‘If the leadership in a one party system is corrupt or incompetent, it is likely to be replaced by interval voting within the one party.’

    Were you born in last December? It is precisely this method enables perfect corruptions. I enjoy reading your CCP style of brain-washing.

    TKL: No system is perfect. Any system can have its flaws. This applies to the one party system adopted in China. But there are sufficient checks and balances within the party to deal with corruption and incompetency.

    My questions for you:
    1. You worked in the CCP internal security department?
    2. How many centuries for CN, or perhaps to say, in last 72 years CCP has been dealing with corruptions and incompetencies, and STILL a slogan today to fight corruptions and incompetencies? Is this any different what other systems is also doing – fighting corruptions and incompetencies.

    TKL: Advocates of the liberal democratic system adopted by western countries argue that their system allows them to replace the government by a different political party.

    The governance must be quite rotten for the country to adopt this approach. It is better for the top leadership to be replaced within the party. The disruption to the country will be less harmful.

    Then, you should be a loyal supporter for SG system isn’t it?
    First our governance was NEVER rotten as PAP was never replaced.
    Second, our Top leaders were replaced within the party.
    Third, SG never had disruption in 56 years!

    So why you want to be president if SG for balance-and-checks? You double-headed-snake … :DDD

    TKL: It is easy to bring down a government by voting the incumbent out at the ballot box. It is not easy to find a replacement government that is better.

    I think so too! So difficult to find another LKY, or MZD, or XJP…
    I love this entertainment you provide.

    I opt for recommendation to give you a highest award as old friend during the next CCP birthday party. And you get a chance of free million dollar worth Mao Tais and 18 year old mei-meis for gang bang party. You can bang or not does not matter, you have a perfect weapon — mouth.

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  • Standpoint:

    Fully agreed very well said.

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  • Sperm of Whales:

    Yes, after the incumbent has lost power, Change the Constitution to only allow 1 party and no elections of parties and only elections WITHIN a party.

    JUst kidding lah!

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  • Healer:

    @mike, do you have to be so crude, hateful, nasty, etc.? TKL has never ever scolded you or degrade you, right? Was he ever your boss?

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Such reasons as some of those that incline Mr Tan to want democracy within his one party he should, to be consistent, see as requiring democracy to be practised at large involving the whole nation.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Standpoint

    OI OI OI, why don’t you ask the scholarly @ TKL is that the reason he contested the Elected Presidency but not the 2020 general election even as an independent (assuming that no party fields him as its candidate?

    Standpoint: Fully agreed very well said.

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  • Communist tio bo:

    We are akreády a 1-party State! The communist also has good relationships with the Pappies. They shared training and visit each other for attachment.

    If you follow isd thinking………

    By association we are also COMMUNIST…………tio bo?

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  • Pap dont have real democracy:

    Pap party appoint the CEC members, there is no freedom to select anyone from the party members or u can put up a name from the members and ask members to select….they (the top members ) pre select and appointed CEC members to be selected.
    U have no other choice, or other preference to select or vote for member u like.
    Unlike WP any member can put up other members to challenge the leadership and to be selected….this real freedom of selection.
    Pap system .. cadres have no right to select who they want from the grounds,or party members
    PAP party is no different from the communist party, they appoint the CEC members for the members to select…not from the ground or any party member u line.
    SO WERE THE REAL FREEDOM TO SELECT!!!
    That why the pap is an autocratic gagmt…

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  • oxygen:

    @ Standpoint

    @ TKL also strongly advocated this

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/07/10/responsible-postings-in-social-media-platforms/

    BUT THEN AFTER I ALSO WAITING PATIENTLY for him to explain in TRE some enigma (aka some windy happy contradictions) in his article write-up here.

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/07/11/why-the-people-of-china-largely-support-the-chinese-communist-party/

    Perhaps, you could persuade @TKL to educate me and others on his writings of “Harvard University/a reputable university” (non-existent) links to Eldeman research publishing, thanks!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Standpoint

    CONGRATULATIONS, you have earned 10c for your post comment – just for 5 terse words – which works out 2 cents per word in simple maths.

    ha ha ha

    Hilarious!

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  • original good & better conditi:

    //It is not easy to find a replacement government that is better.//

    aiyoh. sometimes it is not a case of replacing a good garment (who in the right frame of mind would want to replace a good garment ??), sometimes it is one way (a good system by design) to remove a rot and preventing the situation from getting worst ?? certain damage (rot) once it has happened can never be rectified to its original good & better condition ???

    nevertheless, the mechanism (which needs to be constantly refined) must allow the flexibility to elrect new garment (just in case) and not one to perpetuate its own power that the populace find it difficult to do anything even if there is a glaring rot (which may result in chaos which is penned up for too long ???) ????

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  • Reboot:

    Lucky TKL was not elected as EP.

    Looks like he prefers dictatorship over democracy and still loves PAPPY.

    The Singapore model was one party until WP won, today it is almost looking like one party, the civil service and courts arent independent, they take instructions from the leader.

    TKL Version: If the leadership in a one party system is corrupt or incompetent, it is likely to be replaced by interval voting within the one party.’

    Old Lee ran one party and selected his son to continue his legacy. So what have we today? TKL please look at this one party and dictatorship model. Did central committee chose Pinky or they were told to vote Pinky?

    Same for China model, those who voted against Xi or refrained from voting all were demoted or fired.

    TKL prefers dictatorship over voters’ choice, he was clearly a PAPPY supporter until they stopped him from extending his term at Income.

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  • liew mun leong must be jailed:

    any system, as long as it is not pap system, cannot be bad.

    is pap system that bad.

    YES.

    pap system is very bad.

    1, which other country appoints spouse to S$99m job?

    2, which other country pays each other S$m pa?

    3, which other country runs on the basis of INSIDE 200m is not within 200m?

    4, which other country says a malay president is needed and proceeded to appoint an INDIAN one?

    5, which other country lies the way pap lies?

    6, which other country where the ruling political party has infinite funds for use in the manner channeled to it via pap PA?

    7, which other system goes away every time it is caught abusing the rule of law?

    THEREFORE.

    any system, as long as it is not the pap system, cannot be too bad.

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  • MarBowling:

    SinKapore system of governance should be fairly ok for the country and its citizen WHEN and Not if the following is adopted and practiced:

    1. The PeeM is ALLOWED to squat on the Imperial Throne for only 3 terms(ie. 3 GEs or 15 years whichever is earlier)and not perpetually like current PeeM who suka suka announced that he only steps down after 70 year old. Btw he has been squatting in the Imperial Throne for 17 years. He might emulate his Big Daddy and continue to squat there until age 90!

    2. SinKapore is a small Red Dot. We don’t NEED 93 MPs(83 PAPigs and 10 Opposition members). 50 should be sufficient! Those who aspired to be MP and top political Leaders cum top government office bearers should ONLY JOIN because IT IS A CALLING of our beloved COUNTRY and NOT for the obscene humongous obscene salary, period! Salary range between $20k to $30k per month. Expect the 83 PAPigs special Minister DisGraceFool to QUIT IMMEDIATELY if this Holee Move is adopted! Tell those mayors to go fly kite at East Coast Park.

    3. We need only 3.5 to 4 million population. So no need for local citizen to wait soooo loong for the BTO flats. Chance will be those newly minted SinKaporean especially those from India will make a quick beeline to Changi Airport to go back to their HOME SWEETER HOME asap. This may spur local young couples to have sex in a bigger and wider space to have babies thereby increasing our local population to cater for the need our economy. Tan Golden Chain, what do you think?

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  • Bbc:

    Robin Daverman
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    Democracy in China will look very different from the US or EU-type of structure. The Chinese firmly believe that country-management issues should be decided by people who are both competent and possess good intention towards the common people. And the way to prove the case is through double-blind national exams. Yes, a lot of countries have college entrance exams, sort of, but in China, to become a government employee, you have to take a national exam; to become an employee of the central government instead of local government, you have to take a national exam; to move up the ranks in a factory, a school, a company, a university, within the government, etc., you have to take an exam within the organization! I fully expect that the democracy in China will be an exam-based democracy – you take an exam on the subjects where you have expertise, and then you get to vote on those issues. The Chinese are kinda allergic to being managed by idiots.

    https://www.quora.com/Whats-more-plausible-democracy-in-mainland-China-or-an-Asian-American-President-of-the-USA/answer/Robin-Daverman?ch=10&share=7c3919e0&srid=uuRvc

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  • left behind:

    There is big problem with party system whether one party or multi party. People vote for the party and expect party to act the same but it is not so. People who join the party must think and act the same as what the party stand for and they are not allow to be his or her own. This does not allow political talents to shine. Party allow people to gang up and this may not be for the nation’s interest. It is clear that party allow many people or party members to hide under the party shield. These people are not doing things, they only act like puppets. After so many years in different nations, we see that party system has many problems. It is not democracy for the nation. It is party dictatorship.

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  • TKL’s Fallacies Galore:

    (RE: I like a country to be run by one political party. Any one interested in politics can join that party and vote for the leadership in the party using a democratic process.)

    It appears you don’t quite understand what being a “political party” in a “democratic process” actually amounts to, in real societal relationships and practical organizational structures.

    TKL is intellectually confused in that he tends to confound the hierarchical profit-oriented Corporate business structure with the Democratic organization of a governmmental Republic for an entire citizenry.
    Has he become intellectually myopic due to his years at NTUC?

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  • Bbc:

    Robin Daverman

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    The Chinese system is by far the most fundamentally ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT governing systems out there. It’s designed as a peaceful periodic transfer of power – to people who are smarter, and more capable, than the current cohort. So there’s no way any ruling class in any country serious wants to adopt the Chinese system. If someone is serious about trying the “China model”, first they need to educate the citizens so that everybody is qualified to take the National Civil Service exam. Then they must recruit only from the very top 5% into government service. Then they must have everyone starts from the bottom, and only promote those who can hit KPIs based on hard numbers, like GDP growth + # of college graduates + lower crime statistics + renewable energy growth +… Is there anybody doing this? No? Well then, what “Chinese Model” are you talking about? And the hard-earned power you have, you can’t keep it in the family, you can’t pass it on to your children, you lose it as soon as you fail to perform at the highest level. Which political elite would advocate for such a system for himself?

    When people say they want to try the “China model”, they are not talking about the real China. They are talking about this Authoritarian China Avatar that’s created by the Media, like you can be an unaccountable dictator or something. In reality, Xi can’t make any Politburo decision unless he can persuade at least 5 out of the other 6 Politburo members, who are all elected on their own merit and can not be fired by Xi. Because Politburo decisions require 7:0 or 6:1 consensus. Can you imagine if Mr. Trump has to persuade Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders to agree with him in order to get any decision out? Yeah, it’s like that. It would have been extremely painful for Mr. Trump. The other side of the coin is, if, say, Mr. Trump, Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Sanders, all agree to push for a Campaign Reform plan, and work hard for it, that would be really powerful and will sail through the Congress too. You may even call that “authoritarian”, but that “authority” comes naturally from this level of political consensus.

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  • fpc:

    I wonder why Tan KL challenge the pap then? is it because PAP stops giving him favors?

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  • oxygen:

    NORMATIVE IS A SQUARE, the realism world out there is circle, how to square a circle to advance the country ruled by one-party limited intelligence and rigidities?

    Who is copying the Ccp? Which country sending its scholars to China/Chinese universities to learn China’s one party system?

    Not even backward countries like Papua New Guinea or Malawi or Tajikistan or Mongolia.

    China sends its best scholars to EU, North America and Australia to learn democractic culture, history and system of governance.

    The moaning and groaning in this thread is like water fall off the back of a duck in a rainstorm.

    Chinese wisdom saying has this as “Yak Thing” – ducks listening to thunder roaring BUT ALAS CLUELESS.

    Like anywhere else even sheep has idiotic human followers walking behind them. How many died on the Long March and the Cultural Revolution?

    @ mike above offers the best contributory ideas in this thread.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Very well said.
    Those China haters are fighting with their own imagination. Their only excuse is they could be victims of propaganda.

    Bbc:
    Robin Daverman

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    The Chinese system is by far the most fundamentally ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT governing systems out there. It’s designed as a peaceful periodic transfer of power – to people who are smarter, and more capable, than the current cohort. So there’s no way any ruling class in any country serious wants to adopt the Chinese system. If someone is serious about trying the “China model”, first they need to educate the citizens so that everybody is qualified to take the National Civil Service exam. Then they must recruit only from the very top 5% into government service. Then they must have everyone starts from the bottom, and only promote those who can hit KPIs based on hard numbers, like GDP growth + # of college graduates + lower crime statistics + renewable energy growth +… Is there anybody doing this? No? Well then, what “Chinese Model” are you talking about? And the hard-earned power you have, you can’t keep it in the family, you can’t pass it on to your children, you lose it as soon as you fail to perform at the highest level. Which political elite would advocate for such a system for himself?

    When people say they want to try the “China model”, they are not talking about the real China. They are talking about this Authoritarian China Avatar that’s created by the Media, like you can be an unaccountable dictator or something. In reality, Xi can’t make any Politburo decision unless he can persuade at least 5 out of the other 6 Politburo members, who are all elected on their own merit and can not be fired by Xi. Because Politburo decisions require 7:0 or 6:1 consensus. Can you imagine if Mr. Trump has to persuade Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders to agree with him in order to get any decision out? Yeah, it’s like that. It would have been extremely painful for Mr. Trump. The other side of the coin is, if, say, Mr. Trump, Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Sanders, all agree to push for a Campaign Reform plan, and work hard for it, that would be really powerful and will sail through the Congress too. You may even call that “authoritarian”, but that “authority” comes naturally from this level of political consensus.

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  • oxygen:

    Remember this – Mao has 4 wives and a coterie of beauties of songbirds and actress in tow – they keep him “busy” banging them (just like history’s emperor without clothes )whilst China rots with successive political upheavals before Deng reform.

    Ccp fanatics are as blind as the love rod or the water spring fountain.

    No sense of history and semantic of reality. NOT ONE NATION OF ONE-PARTY RULE SUCCEEDs in the economic sphere in modern history.

    If one party is good, the emerged military junta in Myammar is fortune (not misfortune) for its nationals, why is the rest of Asean peeing in the pants and so loud of the rude political flatulence in offence?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Yes China a country also with many lgbtqiaa.

    偽娘, ….

    https://video.h5.weibo.cn/1034:4658509204357148/4658510601914227

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  • Nathan:

    What the CCP fear most is a free and fair election. China’s 1.4 billion people are denied direct voting of the leaders they want. That’s why China has a one party government. That’s why the only means for the people to overthrow an unwanted government is a bloody and lengthy revolution.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Healer

    Err…. you may continue your love for TKL.
    I choose to make him my entertainment.

    You also felt entertained don’t you? You did.

    Healer:
    @mike, do you have to be so crude, hateful, nasty, etc.? TKL has never ever scolded you or degrade you, right? Was he ever your boss?

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  • Justice Pao:

    Tan, this is music to the ears of one party states like China, Cambodia, Vietnam and Myanmar.

    You are correct in one sense.

    Have you put in an application? China should suit you very well.

    Good luck.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    This old fart TKL really getting senile and increasingly lame.

    He should also have said 1-party system saved Sinkieland, by playing cheat and preventing him from becoming next EP too? lol.

    1-party system is actually no different from the Monarchy of ancient Chinese history. Just call it by different names:

    - PM = King/Emperor where absolute power passed from Father to Son.
    - 1-party = Aristocracy and ruling Elites gang of ball-lickers who everyday kiss the feet of PM / Emperor.

    So, TKL is suggesting we should all go backwards to a system of Monarchy??
    So all the social and institutional progress since thousands of years ago is all pointless?
    I thought even China killed tens of Millions during their revolution to get rid of their Emperor system? Did TKL watch the “The Last Emperor” docu-movie? lol.

    This is exactly the kind of SSS (Spineless Sinkie Syndrome) that many Sinkies have – they prefer “simpler” times where they do not need to use their brains and some LKY-like “Father figure” takes care of everything for them and cane them when they are naughty too.
    This is so typical of the type of SPINELESS Sinkies I’m been talking about. lol.

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  • SEND FOREIGNERS HOME:

    Straits Times: 140,000 more locals hired under Jobs Growth Incentive scheme since November 2020

    A lot more than 140k locals would have been hired if PAP adopted a Singaporean first policy and cancelled the work visa of foreigners to force them to go back where they came from. Also, hundreds of millions of taxpayers’ money would have been saved when the scheme was implemented.

    PAP should stop protecting foreigners in Singapore. They should give Singaporeans priority for jobs in Singapore.

    SINGAPOREANS FIRST. ALWAYS. SEND FOREIGNER HOME.

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  • Robin don't talk straight oi B:

    Anti-Establishment
    (adjective)

    Meaning:-
    To be against the establishment or established authority.

    Eg.
    “they are anti-establishment and eccentric, with a wilful disregard for convention.”

    (RE: The Chinese system is by far the most fundamentally ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT governing systems out there. It’s designed as a peaceful periodic transfer of power – to people who are smarter, and more capable, than the current cohort.)

    So what heck is this guy rambling about with his rojak grammar?

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  • inoowatosay:

    This ignorant bloody fool should google or youtube for John Mearsheimer, Kishore Mahbubani and Martin Jacques to see China as it really is. China maybe a single party rule but the party and the politburo live in constant fear of being overthrown and replaced. Because it has no election, it has no means of gauging the feelings and emotions of the one billion plus people. People’s uprising is real and historical in China. So the solution is for the Chinese govt to constantly and continuously listen to weibo, other social media, web chat etc to find out what the people grouses are – unhappiness, systemic failure, governmental inadequacy etc. The Chinese government has taken this so seriously that this has risen to an art and science form in China. The Chinese government has made it a mantra that its legitimacy lies in it creating and uplifting the well being of its people. Do the PAP, a single party in Singapore with its sham elections, comes any closer? Or bothers to make improving the well being of its people, its mantra and legitimacy to exist?

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Very well said. More haters fighting with their imaginations. Sg has a ownselves feedback ownselves system. Ownself talk, ownself song.

    inoowatosay:
    This ignorant bloody fool should google or youtube for John Mearsheimer, Kishore Mahbubani and Martin Jacques to see China as it really is. China maybe a single party rule but the party and the politburo live in constant fear of being overthrown and replaced. Because it has no election, it has no means of gauging the feelings and emotions of the one billion plus people. People’s uprising is real and historical in China. So the solution is for the Chinese govt to constantly and continuously listen to weibo, other social media, web chat etc to find out what the people grouses are – unhappiness, systemic failure, governmental inadequacy etc. The Chinese government has taken this so seriously that this has risen to an art and science form in China. The Chinese government has made it a mantra that its legitimacy lies in it creating and uplifting the well being of its people. Do the PAP, a single party in Singapore with its sham elections, comes any closer? Or bothers to make improving the well being of its people, its mantra and legitimacy to exist?

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  • Healer:

    Dear lost soul, why let your god created self wallow in such low manhood insults. Time for prayers.

    mike: Dear @ Healer

    Err…. you may continue your love for TKL.
    I choose to make him my entertainment.

    You also felt entertained don’t you? You did.

    Healer:
    @mike, do you have to be so crude, hateful, nasty, etc.? TKL has never ever scolded you or degrade you, right? Was he ever your boss?

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  • Limited Identity:

    Dictatorship is the best form of govt if the ruler is infallible.

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  • MarBowling:

    Fantasy Insiders:
    July 15, 2021 at 3:09 am (Quote)
    Very well said. More haters fighting with their imaginations. Sg has a ownselves feedback ownselves system. Ownself talk, ownself song.

    inoowatosay:
    This ignorant bloody fool should google or youtube for John Mearsheimer, Kishore Mahbubani and Martin Jacques to see China as it really is. China maybe a single party rule but the party and the politburo live in constant fear of being overthrown and replaced. Because it has no election, it has no means of gauging the feelings and emotions of the one billion plus people. People’s uprising is real and historical in China. So the solution is for the Chinese govt to constantly and continuously listen to weibo, other social media, web chat etc to find out what the people grouses are – unhappiness, systemic failure, governmental inadequacy etc. The Chinese government has taken this so seriously that this has risen to an art and science form in China. The Chinese government has made it a mantra that its legitimacy lies in it creating and uplifting the well being of its people. Do the PAP, a single party in Singapore with its sham elections, comes any closer? Or bothers to make improving the well being of its people, its mantra and legitimacy to exist?

    Response: well said too. Sg also has an OWNSELF pay Ownself World Highest Obscene $millions salary system. Also OWNSELF CLEAR OWNSELF in his OWN ParLeeMent of being accused of ABUSE of Power using State Organ by his OWN Siblings. OWNSELF APPOINT OWNSELF to squat on impotent oops important establishment like GIC and Tombmasek Holdings. The LIST of OWNSELF DOING OWNSELF thingy under the Sun in SinKapore is ENDLESS! Period.

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  • Hi:

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-becoming-evil-empire-warns-202351342.html

    I agreed with Pence.

    China has bought many lands, took over many ports.

    They have been wolf warriors to any form of criticism.

    To be super power is ok, but you go around threatening…

    That’s building evil empire.

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  • oxygen:

    I SEE TWO DAYDREAMERS HERE dancing together in Alice Wonderland utopia totally detached from reality and history.

    Bbc: The Chinese system is by far the most fundamentally ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT governing systems out there. It’s designed as a peaceful periodic transfer of power – to people who are smarter, and more capable, than the current cohort

    and this

    Fantasy Insiders: Very well said. More haters fighting with their imaginations. Sg has a ownselves feedback ownselves system. Ownself talk, ownself song

    DIDN’T Hua Kou-fen, Mao’s annointed successor and Chairman of the Ccp turned sn*ke and plotted to arrest the notorious “Gang of Four” (including Mao’s wife) within one month of Mao’s death?

    Read the nights of long knife of plotting of political assassination – ALL LEOPARDS are the same, be that Ccp or other political ideologies.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/652983

    and Hua Kou-Fen’s other own “achievement” during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution which killed tens of millions each is here.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hua-Guofeng

    THIS ARTICLE WRITER’S BIAS PROCLIVITIES BEST DEFENCE?

    Tight-lipped silence after propaganda writing as usual.

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  • Bbc:

    Max You

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    I’ve lived in USA for almost 20 years (high school, college, work) before returning to China. I believe I understand both sides.

    No one is 100% satisfied with any government, but at the moment, CCP approval is extremely high, for the following reasons:

    People approve the government’s actions after consistently seeing results for decades. The policies usually make sense, and genuinely try to solve problems. When there are mistakes, there are also corrective actions.
    People approve the government’s directions. When you look at Chinese policies in a non-myopic time frame, things make sense. When you look at American policies across 2 or more presidents, it’s utter chaos.
    The government’s handling of Covid-19 was an astounding success. Yes you can nitpit imperfections, but other governments haven’t done better. There were impossible odds (think Lunar New Year), yet life still got back to normal around April 2020. When people look at what happened in USA and India they give massive props to CCP.
    Also related to Covid-19. At the beginning Americans looked at China and hurled insults. Remember the WSJ article “China is the Real Sick Man of Asia”? So when China got back to normal while American pandemic response went down the drain, that’s even more props to CCP.
    Another thing people in US/UK/etc tend to overlook: people in China do know they are prejudiced against. “made in Chinese means dirt cheap and dirt poor quality”, “who the f**k would want to live there”, “Chinese have no freedom”, “we should have nuked them in Korean War”, “all Chinese companies are evil commie spies”. So when the government achieves great things, there is great national pride.
    Corruption is at all time low. 20 years ago it looked rather wild west. Since then rule of law has grown much stronger. When bad stuff get exposed, the government is now less likely to suppress information. Even Dr. Li (yes the optometrist died to covid), who was forced to admit “spreading rumors”, was quickly exonerated.
    People know how the West condemns Chinese government, and believe most of these accusations are bullsh*t. Xinjiang cotton, Hongkong riots, Dalai Lama, Covid-19, Taiwan, SCS and etc.
    Then there’s quality of life, economy growth, and all that stuff.
    No government is perfect and there are many things people, including myself, don’t agree with. For example, requiring private companies to establish political functions is a Xi policy. Many consider that policy to be going back to Mao era.

    There are past mistakes as well, people do know about Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward, and etc. The cultural destruction caused by CCP is also widely condemned (i.e. Beijing’s city walls).

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  • Bbc:

    Ridzwan Abdul Rahman, Subang

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    There are regular, free and fair elections in China, right from the village level to the very top level. In other words, all adults get to vote for their candidates in a free election.

    However, there are some differences between China and Western democracy. China has practically one party, the CCP. This means that there are no useless debates by opposing party members trying to make their party look good. Every elected member can focus on debating ways of making their country better, without wasting time on party politics.

    And while in most democracies virtually anyone who applies to join a political party is accepted as a member, in China it is no so easy to be a member of the CCP. An applicant has to prove that he or she deserves to be a member. The applicant must prove that he cares for the public and can be a leader within their community. They need to pass a selection process, after which they have to undergo a probation period.

    What the above does is to create a party that has people-centric members who are ever ready to act for the benefit of their community. Even Xi Jinping spent years looking after sheep and cattle and ploughing land in crop fields in Liangjiahe in northern China and sleeping on a straw mat in a flea-infested cave.

    That’s the kind of people who form China’s government. That is the reason why China’s economic growth has been phenomenal and the people’s approval for their government is higher than in any other country.

    If you wish to understand the election system in China, read the following:

    Elections in China – Wikipedia.

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  • Bbc:

    Wikipedia

    Elections in the People’s Republic of China are based on a hierarchical electoral system, whereby local People’s Congresses are directly elected. All higher levels of People’s Congresses up to the National People’s Congress (NPC), the national legislature, are indirectly elected by the People’s Congress of the level immediately below.[1] The NPC Standing Committee may partially alter laws passed by the NPC when the NPC is not in session, which is significant since the Standing Committee meets more frequently than the NPC.[2]

    Mao Zedong casting his vote.
    Governors, mayors, and heads of counties, districts, townships and towns are in turn elected by the respective local People’s Congresses.[3] Presidents of people’s courts and chief procurators of people’s procuratorates are elected by the respective local People’s Congresses above the county level.[3] The President and the State Council are elected by the National People’s Congress, which is made of 2980 people.

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  • Human Nature:

    Human Nature is not infallible.
    Sooner rather than later CORRUPTION sets in–it has always happen in history.
    CCP-Lover TKL seems to be very ignorant of history.
    Should also read Animal Farm.
    We have enough examples in history for all CCP-Lovers, and thus NKorea lovers, to learn their lessons from.
    Stop consuming CCP propaganda to save yourselves.
    TKL is helping CCP draw the nine-dash lines.

    Limited Identity:
    Dictatorship is the best form of govt if the ruler is infallible.

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  • @Bbc

    Bingo, officials in China (Xi included) work all the way from the bottom up, unlike a certain island near the equator where the LEEders are parachuted and installed.

    As a matter of fact, I have attended a couple of village elections myself (I cannot vote, my wife can) whereby they vote for the village secretary and treasurer. It can be said to be a fair process overseen by county officials. Of course, there were instances of ‘money politics’ during canvassing, but nowadays, it’s just chickens, eggs, liquor and cooking oil, worthless things which fellow villagers share in daily lives, unlike in the past (before Xi) where hard cash was handed out. And mind you, these elected village officials do get promoted to county officials, then city officials after years of ‘hard work’ (depending which perspective you view it). So it is a step-by-step uphill climb, no easy parachute unless he/she has done something extraordinary (plenty were sacked or promoted during the C-19 lockdown period).

    To add, In China, whenever you hear an accused being sentenced to life or some long sentences, the court will say “剥夺政治权利5年”. it means the convicted loses his/her rights to vote or be voted, among other things (mostly gang members (党员) privileges).

    So for those who claim that there are no free elections in China, time to upgrade and update your understanding of China.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Healer

    Thank you, do keep me in your prayers. ;)
    And god bless
    Because i don’t
    Not because i believe in no god
    It is because i do

    La pena che i buoni devono scontare per l’indifferenza alla cosa pubblica è quella di essere governati da uominimalvagi.

    Healer:
    Dear lost soul, why let your god created self wallow in such low manhood insults. Time for prayers.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Bbc & TRE Techie

    Why the long-winded story.

    You just need to say “Just like our PE” will do.
    And everyone will understand.

    North Korea also everyone can vote!
    Correct or cowrong?

    Tech: No mike, it’s not like the PE, where the Malay/Indian is installed. In a Chinese election, as long as you are a gang member, you can stand for and be voted.

    My father-in-law is a gang member and he stood for election and got elected as a village treasurer about 10 years ago. No one asked him or picked him to stand for election, he made up his own mind. Among the 7 candidates, the village secretary, chief and treasurer were elected (according to % of votes). So which part not fair?

    Just curious, by your own admission, you have not lived long long time in China, ever. So how can you claim to know so much about the supposedly negative thingy about China, reading too much western media again?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Bbc

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR EDUCATION on Chinese political architecture. I too is aware of this fact.

    Bbc: And while in most democracies virtually anyone who applies to join a political party is accepted as a member, in China it is no so easy to be a member of the CCP

    but in contradicts the assertion of this article writer who said these words

    TKL:I like the political system adopted by China.

    I like a country to be run by one political party. Any one interested in politics can join that party and vote for the leadership in the party using a democratic process.

    IT IS MISAPPREHENSION OR MISINFORMATION OF MATERIAL FACT.

    Given the much touted tight scrutiny of your mention, how did Bo Xi Lai ascended to the position of Commerce Minister before his disgraced departure and criminal conviction?

    Bo Xilai scandal: Timeline

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-17673505

    There are too many Bo Xi Lai’s around in China who CANNOT BE PUNISHED UNLESS THEY ARE EXPELLED FROM THE CCP.

    And until expellation, the Ccp protects criminals within its rank up to the highest hierarchy.

    Locals told me of corruption WHICH THEY SAY CANNOT BE PUBLICLY DISCUSSED AND FINGER POINTING – the result is sudden collapsed building/structure for all to see. Completed construction can’t be used – deemed unsafe. You can’t deny this happening.

    Why should they tell me this corruption when I was a foreigner there and they don’t know who I was and what I was doing in China then?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Bbc

    IN A ONE-PARTY SYSTEM like those in China, POWER IS MONEY.Like maggots is attracted to rotting carcasses, the Ccp attracts lots of maggots looking for protection cover to enrich themselves.

    Even my Chinese friend’s university kid’s know this – her teaching faculty members DON’T DRIVE to work BUT IN FRONT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BLOCK were parked plenty of nice seeming new cars.

    Why?

    The power-holding bureaucrats who approve/disallowed administrative decisions makes far better (mostly corruption) MONEY than the respected teaching faculty members except the professor at the top WHO ALSO IS VERY POWERFUL of (corrupt) examination grades revision.

    I can’t imagine this happening in USA or Australia – corruption seeps into the education system.

    How to generate a whole generation of leaders ALREADY ACCUSTOMED TO and ABSORBED THE VALUES IN A CORRUPT EDUCATION SYSTEM?

    Money and divine don’t mix the same way as I said earlier above.

    oxygen: NORMATIVE IS A SQUARE, the realism world out there is circle, how to square a circle to advance the country ruled by one-party limited intelligence and rigidities?

    The Ccp may genuinely wants to cultivate people-centric public interest leadership to replace themselves BUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING is corrupt to the core that it will continues to breed and cultivate the yet unseen “Bo Xi Lai’s” protected of punitive consequences which their party membership provides.

    In Ccp there is RENEWAL process – it is RENEWAL OF CORRUPTION AND MORE CORRUPTION.

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  • Bbc:

    @TRE Techie

    I am glad there are some people here who have more up to date understanding of China. I have been curious how is it that what I understand and feeling about China seems to differ quite a bit from many posters here. Now having some responses, I feel more assured that I am not alone or very far out about China.

    Tech: It is easy to hear cock and bull stories about any country but to understand it fully, you have to be in it and lived it to get to the truth.

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  • Bbc:

    @oxygen

    I don’t have a take on what hua was upto. In any government systems there are bound to be good and bad people, people who are body and soul dedicated to serving the people, people who are just opportunists, wolf in sheep skin waiting for opportunity for self interests. Ongoing tussles amongst the good and bad or even among good people would always be there. Ordinary folks could only wish for best outcome. Hindsights are useless to sway the outcome. We all could talk about how China ought to be in any part its thousands of years of history but what path and fate China and its people have been traversing are collective outcome of the play of all these forces. All Chinese people do is contribute hopefully positively for the overall wellbeing of China, its people and diaspora.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Thank you very much for sharing such great insightful ideas. It’s so refreshing to read.

    Bbc: Max You

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    I’ve lived in USA for almost 20 years (high school, college, work) before returning to China. I believe I understand both sides.

    No one is 100% satisfied with any government, but at the moment, CCP approval is extremely high, for the following reasons:

    People approve the government’s actions after consistently seeing results for decades. The policies usually make sense, and genuinely try to solve problems. When there are mistakes, there are also corrective actions.
    People approve the government’s directions.

    Bbc: Wikipedia

    Elections in the People’s Republic of China are based on a hierarchical electoral system, whereby local People’s Congresses are directly elected.

    Bbc: Ridzwan Abdul Rahman, Subang

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    There are regular, free and fair elections in China, right from the village level to the very top level. In other words, all adults get to vote for their candidates in a free election.

    TRE Techie: Bingo, officials in China (Xi included) work all the way from the bottom up, unlike a certain island near the equator where the LEEders are parachuted and installed.

    As a matter of fact, I have attended a couple of village elections myself (I cannot vote, my wife can) whereby they vote for the village secretary and treasurer. It can be said to be a fair process overseen by county officials.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    oxygen: @ Bbc

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR EDUCATION on Chinese political architecture. I too is aware of this fact.

    Bbc: And while in most democracies virtually anyone who applies to join a political party is accepted as a member, in China it is no so easy to be a member of the CCP

    but in contradicts the assertion of this article writer who said these words

    TKL:I like the political system adopted by China.

    I like a country to be run by one political party. Any one interested in politics can join that party and vote for the leadership in the party using a democratic process.

    IT IS MISAPPREHENSION OR MISINFORMATION OF MATERIAL FACT.

    Which one in your opinion? The 1st, the 2nd, or both?

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  • Deoxidized:

    Are you a new citizen of Australia? New citizens generally idolize their adopted country.

    Opening your eyes,
    “Corruption rife in international student sector of leading Australian universities, ABC’s Four Corners reports”
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/nsw/corruption-rife-in-international-student-sector-of-leading-australian-universities-abcs-four-corners-reports-20150420-1mp64t.html
    “The program, which also exposed soft-marking, mass-cheating, and the bribery of academics as a commonplace occurrence in Australia’s higher education sector, …”

    Aussies blame “international students” for their own failings.

    oxygen: The power-holding bureaucrats who approve/disallowed administrative decisions makes far better (mostly corruption) MONEY than the respected teaching faculty members except the professor at the top WHO ALSO IS VERY POWERFUL of (corrupt) examination grades revision.

    I can’t imagine this happening in USA or Australia – corruption seeps into the education system.

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  • Dictatorship is Best Model:

    Of course 1-party-only rule or dictatorship is the Best form of govt but there is only 1 criteria to satisfy :

    THE RULER HAS TO BE INFALLIBLE.

    If given absolute power, the ruler is :
    1. Mean

    2. Has a Limited Identity (this term almost all of you need to google to self-educate).

    3. Grown up in a life like a prince without experiencing what it is like as a peasant.

    4. Is insecure about himself, not confident such that he resorts to abusing power to destroy critics.

    5. Greedy bastard.

    6. Dishonest.

    7. Like to sue opponents.

    If you have such a leader, Dictatorship will lead to Misery.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders

    ASK THAT QUESTION TO @Bbc and @ TKL

    Fantasy Insiders: Which one in your opinion? The 1st, the 2nd, or both?

    Match the two together, i see windy happy contradictions.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Deoxidized

    Where were you in the last 10 years of TRE existence?

    Deoxidized: Are you a new citizen of Australia? New citizens generally idolize their adopted country.

    I wrote what I saw in Australia when students/peasants staged violent anti-Vietnam war demonstration in Australian cities whilst living there.

    When did the Vietnam war ended?

    My aussie casino (stock market) is opening now. Haven’t got time to indulge in your out of touch conversation.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Bbc

    GOOD CONFESSIONS – I am out of time. “Casino” (stock market) opened already for me. More excitement there today, sorry.

    Bbc: I don’t have a take on what hua was upto. In any government systems there are bound to be good and bad people, people who are body and soul dedicated to serving the people, people who are just opportunists, wolf in sheep skin waiting for opportunity for self interests.

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  • Deoxidized:

    After all these years in Australia, you still claim that Australia universities are free of corruption. Don’t claim so much innocence for your country. Follow TPL and say, “I don’t know.”

    oxygen: I can’t imagine this happening in USA or Australia – corruption seeps into the education system.

    oxygen:
    @ Deoxidized

    Where were you in the last 10 years of TRE existence?

    I wrote what I saw in Australia when students/peasants staged violent anti-Vietnam war demonstration in Australian cities whilst living there.

    When did the Vietnam war ended?

    My aussie casino (stock market) is opening now. Haven’t got time to indulge in your out of touch conversation.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    That is a very irresponsible comment to the party that is right.

    oxygen: IT IS MISAPPREHENSION OR MISINFORMATION OF MATERIAL FACT.

    oxygen:
    @ Fantasy Insiders

    ASK THAT QUESTION TO @Bbc and @ TKL

    Match the two together, i see windy happy contradictions.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    IT IS MISAPPREHENSION OR MISINFORMATION OF MATERIAL FACT.

    Deoxidized: “Corruption rife in international student sector of leading Australian universities, ABC’s Four Corners reports”

    contradicts

    oxygen: I can’t imagine this happening in USA or Australia – corruption seeps into the education system.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders:

    AAARGH, rattlesn*ke hissing lies above. The corruption in this weblink by @ Deoxidised is NOT false.

    Any academic or bureaucrats in Australian universities apprehended and charged (or worst still convicted) of “corruption”?

    The corruption is foreign education agents and foreign students (mainly CHINESE STUDENTS with language skills deficiencies) that does the “cheating”

    There is uniform corruption laws inside Australia WITH WIDE-RANGING LAW DEFINITION AND DRAGNET. Here is one – section 8 of the Independent Commission Against Corruption Act 1988.

    http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/icaca1988442/s8.html

    See how wide its scope of “corrupt conduct” definition to catch the slightest infringement?

    EDUCATION IS CORRUPT IN CHINA from Chinese (foreign) students seeking admissions to foreign universities to bureaucrats and the entire industry BUT I WAS SURPRISED TO DISCOVER IT WAS SO ENDEMIC and ENTRENCHED INSIDE CHINESE UNIVERSITIES, apparently, so long ago.

    CONGRATULATIONS, YOU TRIED VERY HARD TO MISLEAD but fell into the ditch of utter shameful lies. You have, as I wrote, another example of fallen heroic rescue in this descript

    Oxygen : IT IS MISAPPREHENSION OR MISINFORMATION OF MATERIAL FACT.

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  • Bbc:

    oxygen:
    @ Bbc

    IN A ONE-PARTY SYSTEM like those in China, POWER IS MONEY.Like maggots is attracted to rotting carcasses, the Ccp attracts lots of maggots looking for protection cover to enrich themselves.

    Even my Chinese friend’s university kid’s know this – her teaching faculty members DON’T DRIVE to work BUT IN FRONT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BLOCK were parked plenty of nice seeming new cars.

    Why?

    The power-holding bureaucrats who approve/disallowed administrative decisions makes far better (mostly corruption) MONEY than the respected teaching faculty members except the professor at the top WHO ALSO IS VERY POWERFUL of (corrupt) examination grades revision.

    I can’t imagine this happening in USA or Australia – corruption seeps into the education system.

    How to generate a whole generation of leaders ALREADY ACCUSTOMED TO and ABSORBED THE VALUES IN A CORRUPT EDUCATION SYSTEM?

    Money and divine don’t mix the same way as I said earlier above.

    The Ccp may genuinely wants to cultivate people-centric public interest leadership to replace themselves BUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING is corrupt to the core that it will continues to breed and cultivate the yet unseen “Bo Xi Lai’s” protected of punitive consequences which their party membership provides.

    In Ccp there is RENEWAL process – it is RENEWAL OF CORRUPTION AND MORE CORRUPTION.

    Any system that rules a country attracts corruption because many corrupt selfish people know power is a good means for them to get what they want. So it takes all in the system to make sure this us kept to minimum. There aint no such things as perfect system realistically. Whether a good remain good is a perpetual struggle for people in the system. It is the same in China, a good consolidation is that good people are having upper hand most 9f tve time so far since PRC inception.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Deoxidized

    I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED Down Under is free of corruption – you made up that fiction.

    Deoxidized: After all these years in Australia, you still claim that Australia universities are free of corruption. Don’t claim so much innocence for your country. Follow TPL and say, “I don’t know.

    I have just replied a moment ago (above) to @ Fantasy Insiders and yourself.

    My contention is the EXTENT AND DEPTH OF MASSIVE ORGANIZED CORRUPTION that must exists within Chinese education system for bureaucrats to live so rich (on smaller salary) than faculty teaching members (except the professors) in contrast which even young Chinese students know about.

    IT MUST BE DEEP, WIDE-SPREAD AND STAGGERING. Who investigate them?

    As for Australia, I am NOT NAIVE enough to believe, let alone claiming here (your fiction of invention) that there is no corruption within Australia.

    If so, why the need for this corruption legislation like this I have illuminated above to @fantasy Insiders a moment ago?

    http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/icaca1988442/s8.html

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  • oxygen:

    OH, BY THE WAY, none of the ONE-PARTY/pro-China fanatics CAN OR CARE TO EXPLAIN this windy happy contradiction.

    Rich and elite class/proud Chinese’s favorite immigration destinations are all “5 eyes” countries namely, US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    Mao Tse Tung’s skeleton must be rattling now in dismay, disbelief and anger in this resting place at TainanAmen square where on June 4 1989 Chinese tanks ran over unarmed students’ protest for democracy.

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  • Bbc:

    @oxygen

    To me personally, it is not a matter of whether China is imperfect or having a lot of flaws or otherwise, but I feel most Chinese people if not all should contribute constructively or positively to China ‘s effort in building a nation where most Chinese could take consolation in or proud of, especially in lights of experiences of the Jews, gypsie and peoples of similar experiences. It is puzzling to me some people use China’ s shortcomings, flaws, wrongdoings, as justification to sabotage wellbeing and security of China and its people, to the extreme measure of working with hostile forces of China to break up, destroy and cause possible massacres of Chinese people. I think it is acceptable to criticise or push China in the right direction but doing things that harm security and safety of China and its people are most likely not acceptable. I am not a China citizen but I belong to the unit: ethnic Chinese and am all for the good of my ancestral land China and people as far as possible.
    I don’t have a problem if one wants to be Chinese no more. Of course one could denounce any of the above entities, at least quietly in your heart and without having to act like an enemy or act to harm those entities you denounce. I don’t think China would complain if one wants to be Chinese no more. But when one chooses to harm or fight against your own natural entities, you should not expect that to be your right to be left alone and should expect to be treated likewise an enemy.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Bbc

    ME THINKS your last post comment fell off tangency. Read my comments in this thread, you must come to only one CORRECT CONCLUSION – I am NOT anti-China or anti-Chinese.

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/07/13/huawei-cfo-meng-should-be-released-after-prolonged-detention/

    I am a diehard liberal.

    I DON’T BELIEVE political grooming in leadership succession has worked or will ever work – just look at the MBAs in executive suites left behind or simply disintegrated after the GFC of 2009 – all these creme de la creme are best of the best from US Ivy League universities. Not fought through hard battles, they failed in the first storm.

    Look at John Major (Margaret Thatcher’s annointed son) Julia Gillard (Kevin Rudd blue eye girl), A. Badawi (Mahathir’s favorite), Kim dynasty in N. Korea. These are only a sample.

    Why?

    Very simple – people choose who they like, looks like themselves (look around walking couple on the streets, they look like brother and sister rather than hubby/wife – there is empirical evidence of that). To think that the best is appointed to replace retiring old leaders is self-delusion.

    THIS ARTICLE WRITE UP IS A FART OF FICTION – in one party-rule, where are the next crop of leaders really tested in the battlefield. Most are a*sekissers looking for money and power. IN CRISIS, THEY MELT FASTER THAN ICE-CREAM IN THE HOT SUN.

    NOT A SINGLE ONE PARTY RULE OR DICTATORSHIP SUCCEED OF ECONOMIC SUCCESS – NOT EVEN CHINA.

    Without Deng’s reform and ascension to the WTO in 2001, China will be still a backwater society. Mao’s Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution is one disaster after another disaster. Hua Kou Feng is Mao’s henchman, right hand man who is intensely involved in the two disaster.

    Less than 1 month after Mao death, he TURNED TREACHERY, arrested Gang of Four for alleged “sabotage and economic destruction and corrupt abuse of power charges”. HE WAS A HYPOCRITE WHO FAILED in one term of office.

    June 4 1989 is a disgrace of Chinese history.

    There are plenty of Bo Xi Lai and its pretenders in Ccp waiting for their chances to be DICTATOR – not good for China of eventual outcome.

    TO SUM UP MY THOUGHTS – THIS ARTICLE WRITING IS GUTTER RUBBISH in my opinion -even of misinformation and/or misapprehension of material fact.

    @ Bbc, thank you for sharing – disagreeing not withstanding.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ TRE Techie

    Knowingly, or unknowingly, or supposely, you had revealed it yourself the CCP election system in your own ‘experience’.

    That is sufficient.

    I said this before, i still don’t understand my own country, do you?
    If you did, how well? You understand CCP’s well better than SG’s?

    I told you and many 50c there before, i have my China sources, besides years traveling in China, although i was less interested in Chinese politics then, i am not unfamiliar with most good, bad and ugly stuffs of the Chinese society. Say good, they are better than SG; say bad, they are worse than SG; say ugly, there is no limit….

    Quote TRE Techie: In a Chinese election, as long as you are a gang member, you can stand for and be voted.

    You have revealed and confirmed my observation.

    Your assumption that i read ‘too much western media’ is simply your inferior complex in ability to bring your points convincingly forward. However, you can say i do read and have access to media beyond those that you can view within your side of the great internet (information) wall of China. Even some sites which were blocked to non-china regions, i still can get feeds from my friends within the wall when i casually ask them for access. Mostly, they just share as they see fits.

    Unless you tried to climb over the wall for other information, which my advice for you : if you appreciate your ‘peaceful life’ in China, don’t climb. It is punishable. From fines, to imprisonment, to being tortured, pick one based on the information you accessed to and what you did with those information.

    Your 2nd chance does not worth such miseries.

    It’s already too much workload for TRE as ‘non-profit’ platform, i do not wish that you are being impacted, irregardless your disagreement you had with me. Your participation is a good interaction, nevertheless.

    As a person looking at a fish tank, i got nothing to lose but every inch of opportunities.

    Cheers

    TRE Techie:

    Tech: No mike, it’s not like the PE, where the Malay/Indian is installed. In a Chinese election, as long as you are a gang member, you can stand for and be voted.

    My father-in-law is a gang member and he stood for election and got elected as a village treasurer about 10 years ago. No one asked him or picked him to stand for election, he made up his own mind. Among the 7 candidates, the village secretary, chief and treasurer were elected (according to % of votes). So which part not fair?

    Just curious, by your own admission, you have not lived long long time in China, ever. So how can you claim to know so much about the supposedly negative thingy about China, reading too much western media again?

    Tech: I see, so whatever you think you know so much about China you “heard” from your sources who are in China. Understood. BTW, did you know that TOC is funded and backed by famiLEE members? You now understand why they dare to go head-on with the AGC and Millisters, no scared “sue till your pants drop”?

    I heard this from various sources in Sinkieland, so it must be the gospel truth. What do you think?

    P/S: Having been with TRE for decades, I have seen the best and the worst, nothing on TRE pisses me anymore (once in a while take umbrage a little). Interaction is good, you learn from one another, everyday a new thingy. I welcome and appreciate healthy interaction. Thank you.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Bbc

    Wow, your father and their’s must be proud of you.

    If i was 30 years younger, which make it 1991, i could easily forget 8964 just simply based on what you said.

    If history is a distant memory, then, i seek your opinion on this latest:
    Upgraded Love Affairs between Taleban & CCP

    https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/web/wjbzhd/t1892217.shtml
    And how well you understand this :
    渡尽劫波兄弟在,相逢一笑泯恩仇
    &
    王毅说,美国和北约从阿富汗仓促撤军,导致阿局势紧张升级,战火扩大,阿问题的解决进入十字路口。中方支持本着“阿人所有,阿人主导”原则,通过对话协商,在阿构建广泛包容的政治架构;支持阿成为独立、自主、中立的国家,奉行温和穆斯林政策;支持阿坚定打击一切形式的恐怖主义,同所有邻国友好相处。当务之急是避免发生内战,重启阿人内部谈判,寻求政治和解方案,尤其是防止各种恐怖势力在阿乘机坐大,绝不能使阿再度成为恐怖分子的聚集地。

    https://mil.sina.cn/zgjq/2021-07-14/detail-ikqciyzk5386274.d.html?from=wap
    And how well you understand this :
    而针对中国,塔利班也释出善意,除了在7月7日邀请中国前来阿富汗投资外,更保证不会让“东突厥斯坦伊斯兰运动组织”(简称“东伊运”)借道攻击中国。如此承诺若能付诸执行,当比投资邀请更有意义。
    &
    然而伴随塔利班的自我改造,其为一扫激进与前现代形象,已逐渐分化出反美与支持极端伊斯兰两派系,前者亦对中国释出反恐合作意愿,包括取消对东伊运的庇护与训练等。故自2014年起,塔利班代表团开始了对中国的定期公开访问。

    I was so so so so so afraid that someone will say i read too much biased western media of fake news. :DDD So here it is the msm of China + official site, humbly talked about China & Afghanistan relationship after Taleban officially invite China to expand the 1B1R initiative to Afghanistan.

    To prevent lost in translation, i encourage you to read and understand in the simplified C.H.I.N.E.S.E language.

    For years, CCP had been accusing US for invading Afghanistan, right or left, i don’t know :DD now CCP say US caused vacuum when retreat out of Afghanistan and the neighboring countries are worried, including XJ.

    Bbc:
    … but I feel most Chinese people if not all should contribute constructively or positively to China ‘s effort in building a nation where most Chinese could take where most Chinese could take consolation in or proud of…

    …It is puzzling to me some people use China’ s shortcomings, flaws, wrongdoings, as justification to sabotage wellbeing and security of China and its people, to the extreme measure of working with hostile forces of China to break up, destroy and cause possible massacres of Chinese people. I think it is acceptable to criticise or push China in the right direction but doing things that harm security and safety of China and its people are most likely not acceptable. I am not a China citizen but I belong to the unit: ethnic Chinese and am all for the good of my ancestral land China and people as far as possible.
    I don’t have a problem if one wants to be Chinese no more. Of course one could denounce any of the above entities, at least quietly in your heart and without having to act like an enemy or act to harm those entities you denounce. I don’t think China would complain if one wants to be Chinese no more. But when one chooses to harm or fight against your own natural entities, you should not expect that to be your right to be left alone and should expect to be treated likewise an enemy.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    For Australia, close your eyes and imagine everything is good.

    For China, your eyes cannot reach. Just imagine the worst and throw your strongest accusations. No need for evidence.

    oxygen: My contention is the EXTENT AND DEPTH OF MASSIVE ORGANIZED CORRUPTION that must exists within Chinese education system for bureaucrats to live so rich (on smaller salary) than faculty teaching members (except the professors) in contrast which even young Chinese students know about.

    IT MUST BE DEEP, WIDE-SPREAD AND STAGGERING. Who investigate them?

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Very well said.

    mike: Dear @ Bbc

    Wow, your father and their’s must be proud of you.

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  • Confucius says:

    “To be able under any circumstances to practice these five things would constitute perfect virtue: seriousness, generosity of soul, sincerity, earnestness, and kindness… To see what is right, and yet not do it, shows a lack of courage or of principles…. Fine words and impressive appearances are seldom associated with true virtue.”

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders:

    YOU MOUSEY-RAT of the worst construction with this ad hominem attack disregarding facts.

    Fantasy Insiders: For Australia, close your eyes and imagine everything is good.

    Didn’t I say this?

    oxygen: As for Australia, I am NOT NAIVE enough to believe, let alone claiming here (your fiction of invention) that there is no corruption within Australia.

    If so, why the need for this corruption legislation like this I have illuminated above to @fantasy Insiders a moment ago?

    http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/icaca1988442/s8.html

    And in Australia, Eddie Mabo defeated Queensland in a landmark High Court (Australia’s highest and final appeal court) decision – singlehanded without legal representation, not even another living human moral support in that journey – and UPTURNED land rights law in Australia since COLONIALISATION.

    The judiciary listens before they judge, never mind the umbrage and anguish caused to political cows in Canberra after their landmark decision which led to land rights changes in NZ and Canada over mining interests.

    and as for this garbage of yours

    Fantasy Insiders: For China, your eyes cannot reach. Just imagine the worst and throw your strongest accusations. No need for evidence.

    you need me to remind you of this yet again?

    oxygen: OH, BY THE WAY, none of the ONE-PARTY/pro-China fanatics CAN OR CARE TO EXPLAIN this windy happy contradiction.

    Rich and elite class/proud Chinese’s favorite immigration destinations are all “5 eyes” countries namely, US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    Mao Tse Tung’s skeleton must be rattling now in dismay, disbelief and anger in this resting place at TainanAmen square where on June 4 1989 Chinese tanks ran over unarmed students’ protest for democracy.

    IDIOT!

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Your comments are totally illogical.

    What has rich and elite migration got to do with your accusation of massive organized corruption in China universities? You cannot show any evidence to support your accusation. Zero. Even your migration data is inaccurate, but that’s another side track.

    oxygen: My contention is the EXTENT AND DEPTH OF MASSIVE ORGANIZED CORRUPTION that must exists within Chinese education system for bureaucrats to live so rich (on smaller salary) than faculty teaching members (except the professors) in contrast which even young Chinese students know about.

    And here is your denial of any corruption by Australia university academic or bureaucrats.

    You are in such denial about your adopted country’s bad practices. No point highlighting the great investigation offices. Look at the reported and charged cases in your great country.

    oxygen: Any academic or bureaucrats in Australian universities apprehended and charged (or worst still convicted) of “corruption”?

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  • Bbc:

    @oxygen

    “ME THINKS your last post comment fell off tangency. Read my comments in this thread, you must come to only one CORRECT CONCLUSION – I am NOT anti-China or anti-Chinese.”

    I am not blind/deaf to all the shortcomings, flaws, wrongdoings that has been happening under ccp. Those are things that need good leadership and lots of good people in ccp and China to fix or improve on, just like any other systems or countries.

    The fact that CCP came to power is not upto (at least not completely) what anyone could gave said, but unfortunately it had to be settled by civil wars. Like it or not, CCP came to power after millions of deaths and sufferings. And after stumbling through decades of trial and errors(communism is fairly new then and ccp was also new in running a country), we gave a China which is rejuvenating, world number 2 economic, world naufacturing powerhouse, waves leading R&D and innovations and products, people quality of life going up leaps and bounds… Just imagine what could be worse for China,there could endless civil wars, foreign occupations, colonisation, destruction of China, break ups, Chinese becoming a new hordes of gypsies, Jews without Israel,..

    It makes more sense for me to work on what(the China) we have now then to try to start anew attempts to start more wars, may be with foreign hostile powers to change or destroy China.

    Me too, like you, I am NOT anti-China or anti-Chinese and all for the betterment of China and Chinese people everywhere.

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  • oxygen:

    The weblink for Mabo vs Queensland is here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_v_Queensland_(No_2)

    Fantasy Insiders: For Australia, close your eyes and imagine everything is good.

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  • Bbc:

    Some ten years ago, I decided that I should make more consistent efforts to improve my understanding of China and what it meant to be Chinese.

    After a few years, as I dwelled deeper into history and culture I discovered(almost amazed) that what I knew before about Chinese and China was more something like 1-2%. After some ten years now, I am glad I get at least an overview and deeper view of Chinese civilisation and people, such understanding I must say changes or enhances my view to another level, not just of China but my world view and general humanity. I also made some efforts to try to understand the background and the environment of our Chinese forefathers in the China’s last two centuries, so as to get some anchors, links, continuity to my own identity at presence. While absolved in the TV series, movie, books,..of history, I often do the self tests of asking what i would have had done if I were to live in that era of our ancestors. Would I have had the opinions I have now, would my opinions would have had worked then?

    I think Tech has said here before that to understand China one really has to live in China. The same is true for understanding China’s history but no one could live thru whole of history, so I settle for records, books, movies,… of course subject to inevitably various shortcomings, such as history is written by the victors, history has heavy bias of propaganda, intentions,…

    Good old chinese TV series to understand modern China(from CCP or PRC perspective of course)

    Sun Yat Sen
    Long march
    Series on life of PRC leaders and generals from Mao, Zhou, Zu,..
    Series on anti Japanese wars, battles,..
    and plenty more;

    Here are some personal favorites:
    悬崖
    血战长空
    少帅
    三八线

    Occasionally available on YouTube

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  • Politicians don't heed these..:

    “It never ceases to amaze me: we all love ourselves more than other people, but we care more about their opinions than our own. If something is not Right do not do it; if it is not True do not say it….. Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself swimming along with them.”

    - Marcus Aurelius, philosopher-king, c.180 A.D.

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  • oxygen:

    @Faantasy Insider

    WAY OFF THE MARK on this one.

    Fantasy Insiders: Your comments are totally illogical.

    I roamed for a few years in China, so I am neither blind or uninformed FROM THE GROUNDS.

    As for this,

    Fantasy Insiders: What has rich and elite migration got to do with your accusation of massive organized corruption in China universities?

    It show the wealthy, successful elites (beyond the grassroot of my limited contacts and associations) are aware of the DARK SIDES of Chinese politics and government.

    THEY WANT A SECOND HOME/PASSPORT AND A SAFE PLACE TO PARK THEIR CORRUPT MONEY- they are NOT CONFIDENT of their safety and wealth preservation obtained “in the dirty world” and “dirty ways” of corrupt conduct that permeates all level of that dictatorship.

    AND AS FOR THIS, I am correct and unbiased.

    Fantasy Insiders: You are in such denial about your adopted country’s bad practices. No point highlighting the great investigation offices. Look at the reported and charged cases in your great country.

    I would appreciate it VERY MUCH AND TRULY SO, if you could supply me a weblink or law case illumination of someone in University bureaucracy
    or academic charged/ convicted for receiving corrupt money or benefits from foreign students or foreign educational agents.

    I am sure you can’t.

    WHY?

    The law, as supplied my weblink show it is a HUGE NET of coverage that it will trawl in a giant whale to even a small ikan bilis for the slightest infringement or transgression. THE LAW DEFINITION OF CORRUPTION Down Under IS WIDE-RANGING of “catch-all” of slightest offence.

    open up that weblink I provide and read carefully its definition of “corrupt conduct” means. You DON’T HAVE TO RECEIVE any money to be liable and convict of corruption offence.

    Notice it is not definition of “corruption” of money received but simply “corrupt conduct” is sufficient to land you behind bar.

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  • 甯爷爷:

    “不管是黑猫还是白猫,会抓老鼠的就是好猫”。

    不管是一党专政,两党轮替,还是多党联合,不把国家搞乱,能让人民安居乐业的政府,就是好政府。

    世上那有绝对的东西?没有绝对好的民主政体,也没有绝对好的专制政体。什么东西都好,只要变成为对付别人的工具,就不会有好结果!

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Bbc

    Since your feeds of history were mostly TVs, Movies, (lol, i assumed)…

    Let me point to you a movie call 《一九四二》 directed by 冯小刚 (TRE Techie, u may like movies too)
    A movie screened on 2012, before China on this current path of ‘no-return’. There was a time the entertainment industry of China was able to ‘speak’ freely.
    I will not insist that you watch that movie, best if you don’t. Lol

    Frankly, I didn’t want to watch China movies, least interested because most were heavily twisted in history for entertainments and very politically correct. I had enough of those doses in hotel rooms of China. Interesting at first, numbed and later disgusted when i start searching more different sources of information and unable to bridge the gaps.

    My Chinese friend asked me to watch it (1942) a few occasions, in order not to offend her, i told her i will watch and my critic reviews may not sound music to her.

    Well, i thought she, from a well to do family, family with some political background, having lived in China for 20 over years, grew up, studied in China all the way until uni and graduated with law degree must had love her country much and will not speak an inch of ill of her m.o.t.h.e.r land….

    She asked me to watch the movie 《一九四二》 and told me not to have illusion about China. Lol… that’s why i said that i do learn new things about China, the good, bad and ugly…

    At the end, i watched the movie 3x over and over again. To feel what the director wants to reveal. But, please don’t watch.

    Since you mentioned Zhou, to some people, it was hurtful to know his dark roles in CCP history as he was much advertised as a good looking gentleman of CCP.

    Bbc:

    Good old chinese TV series to understand modern China(from CCP or PRC perspective of course)

    Sun Yat Sen
    Long march
    Series on life of PRC leaders and generals from Mao, Zhou, Zu,..
    Series on anti Japanese wars, battles,..
    and plenty more;

    Here are some personal favorites:
    悬崖
    血战长空
    少帅
    三八线

    Occasionally available on YouTube

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  • mike:

    Dear TRE Techie,

    I ask you, you think who live longer in SG?
    You or me?

    So, you or me, who knows SG better? Or our ‘leader’ better? Or, the SG system?

    Therefore, cut that crap of ‘living in a Country to know better’.

    We may not even really know the one sleeping next to us that well.

    The fact is : you know what you want to know until those you didn’t know catch up with you.

    Thus, respectfully, i ask you to save that crap of living here and there in order to know to bluff someone else. I am not as naive as yourself.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Here’s one case that meets the specific criteria you imposed, university staff, money and foreign student.

    https://www.ccc.wa.gov.au/publications/media-releases/page/bribery-charges-relation-curtin-university-international-english
    “A former Curtin University employee is among a group of nine people whom the Corruption and Crime Commission has charged with 59 bribery offences. The charges relate to the manipulation of the International English Language Testing System (IELTS) conducted at Curtin University’s English Language Centre over a 12 month period to June 2010. CCC spokesman Trevor Wynn said that it will be alleged that the former Curtin employee generally dealt with intermediaries who then shared the bribes paid by the candidates.The Commission will allege that candidates paid amounts varying between $1,500 and $11,000 to have their test scores altered. Further, in many cases, the false test reports were submitted to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship in support of an application for a visa or permanent residency in Australia. ”

    It’s confirmed that you view your adopted country with rose tinted glasses.

    oxygen: AND AS FOR THIS, I am correct and unbiased.

    Fantasy Insiders: You are in such denial about your adopted country’s bad practices. No point highlighting the great investigation offices. Look at the reported and charged cases in your great country.

    I would appreciate it VERY MUCH AND TRULY SO, if you could supply me a weblink or law case illumination of someone in University bureaucracy
    or academic charged/ convicted for receiving corrupt money or benefits from foreign students or foreign educational agents.

    I am sure you can’t.

    WHY?

    The law, as supplied my weblink show it is a HUGE NET of coverage that it will trawl in a giant whale to even a small ikan bilis for the slightest infringement or transgression. THE LAW DEFINITION OF CORRUPTION Down Under IS WIDE-RANGING of “catch-all” of slightest offence.

    open up that weblink I provide and read carefully its definition of “corrupt conduct” means. You DON’T HAVE TO RECEIVE any money to be liable and convict of corruption offence.

    Notice it is not definition of “corruption” of money received but simply “corrupt conduct” is sufficient to land you behind bar.

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  • Bbc:

    @mike

    Yea, i have watched “1942″.so what are you going to do? Work with Japanese or Americans or,…to beat China back to 1800′s so that China people coukd go thru rounds of tremendous sufferings and deaths? The fact was no one could have determined which way China was going to go and unfortunately it had to be wars. The losers lost and the winners won to rule. Are you suggesting now China should go back to wars to see who is going to win to rule again? How many times you think China needs to that, each time millions or more died? What type of chance you think China would survive as a country if it keeps engulfing itself in wars? And for what? For whom?

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Bbc

    Dumb. Asked you don’t watch. Did not seek your review. :DD
    Your superficial intelligence deserves that piece of decoration above the shoulder.
    To some kids, the star is always twinkle.

    送你两个字: 肤浅
    再送你四个字: 你好肤浅

    :DDD

    ——

    Btw, the war will ultimately befall (it should) on this CCP land again. Hundreds and thousands of wars had befall on this land, what would make it different this time? We all deserve it, don’t we.

    In any case, each day we are closer to a war of the century. And the speed has been shifting to higher gear.


    郑孝胥:
    大清亡于共和
    共和亡于共产
    共产亡于共管

    Bbc:
    @mike

    Yea, i have watched “1942″.so what are you going to do? Work with Japanese or Americans or,…to beat China back to 1800′s so that China people coukd go thru rounds of tremendous sufferings and deaths? The fact was no one could have determined which way China was going to go and unfortunately it had to be wars. The losers lost and the winners won to rule. Are you suggesting now China should go back to wars to see who is going to win to rule again? How many times you think China needs to that, each time millions or more died? What type of chance you think China would survive as a country if it keeps engulfing itself in wars? And for what? For whom?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders

    CONGRATULATIONS, mate, for having dug up a load of dirt and dump it over my head.

    Fantasy Insiders: Here’s one case that meets the specific criteria you imposed, university staff, money and foreign student.

    https://www.ccc.wa.gov.au/publications/media-releases/page/bribery-charges-relation-curtin-university-international-english

    Thank you for trying so hard but on this one YOU FELL INTO A DITCH OF YOUR OWN MAKING.

    Fantasy Insiders:
    It’s confirmed that you view your adopted country with rose tinted glasses.

    WHY?

    THREE reasons and evidences.

    I already told @ Deoxidized this proposition.

    oxygen: @ Deoxidized

    I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED Down Under is free of corruption – you made up that fiction.

    I told you too that

    oxygen: There is uniform corruption laws inside Australia WITH WIDE-RANGING LAW DEFINITION AND DRAGNET.

    The UNIFORM statutory law and its WIDE-RANGING LAW DEFINITION AND DRAGNET were legislated to apprehend those offending your weblink notified here.

    BUT BEST OF ALL IS THIS information you supplied.

    Fantasy Insiders: Further, in many cases, the false test reports were submitted to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship in support of an application for a visa or permanent residency in Australia. ”

    It proves that the investigation EXPANDED TO REACH THE RECORDS inside immigration department. That means that all these students visa/permanent residency visa granted will ALL BE REVOKED under section 501 of the Migration Act on “character” grounds.

    I AM QUITE FAMILIAR WITH AUSTRALIAN IMMIGRATION LAW APPLICATIONS.

    Here is the relevant statutory law definition/application of section 501.

    http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s501.html

    For those Chinese students who bribed and lied, how can they ever appeal and appeal successfully in the court room of “good character” when they were caught engaged in bribery and false declaration made to migration authority?

    They will all be deported after sentencing and punishments.

    AUSTRALIA IS FAIR. I don’t have rose-tinted view of the country nor its fairness of law application.

    In China, this offences will be settled with more bigger “under table” money. In one party dictatorship like Commie land – POWER IS MONEY. Who doesn’t want more money?

    CORRUPTION IS A WAY OF LIFE.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Oxygen, you are very good. Fire as you retreat. One line of defence falls, dig another line. Repeat.

    1st line: no corruption “seeps” through
    2nd line: no extent and massive corruption
    3rd line: no actual case that goes to court
    4th line: investigations are fair and superb

    Any more lines of defence?
    5th line: punishments are fair and superb?
    6th line: leaders do harakiri?

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    The way you defend your country is as though your country’s agencies are tracking you.

    You praise the Australia corruption investigation process to the sky. However, your own Australian judges say that corruption investigations are lousy. A survey shows “85% of people believe that members of the national parliament are corrupt”.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-politics-corruption-idUSKCN1NU04U

    Dozens of former Australian judges published an open letter to Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Sunday calling for a national anti-corruption body to restore public trust in the country’s democratic process.

    The letter, written by 34 former judges including Sir Gerard Brennan, the former chief justice of the High Court of Australia, the country’s peak court, said there is public suspicion that corruption permeates many government actions.

    Dozens of former Australian judges published an open letter to Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Sunday calling for a national anti-corruption body to restore public trust in the country’s democratic process.

    The letter, written by 34 former judges including Sir Gerard Brennan, the former chief justice of the High Court of Australia, the country’s peak court, said there is public suspicion that corruption permeates many government actions.

    oxygen: It proves that the investigation EXPANDED TO REACH THE RECORDS inside immigration department.

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  • Bbc:

    @Mike

    Of course China is not your country and people like you are irrelevant to China. It is upto 1.4b people of China to take on any threats and I wish them well and am confident of their ability to keep China and its people secured and safe, and continue its rise again.

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Australia is very lax with serial sexual predator academic. Very shocking, for some people.

    No charges. Nothing. Leave one university. Join another university.

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/sexformarks-scandal-lecturer-fired-20100903-14tp0.html

    A former Curtin University lecturer accused of pressuring three vulnerable female students for sexual favours, has been struck off from his current job at another WA university.

    Dr Nasrul Ali was the subject of a Corruption and Crime Commission report tabled in State Parliament yesterday, which found he had engaged in serious misconduct and offered to change students’ marks in exchange for sex in 2009.

    The CCC report claimed that while working as a tutor, lecturer and unit coordinator at the Curtin Business School last year he asked three international students aged 24, 22 and 20 to think of something to convince him to change their marks, rejecting their suggestions of academic options and offers of gifts or money.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders

    FERTILE IMAGINATIONS from you below. Which agencies in your fantasized dream is “tracking” me? Am I that important to them?

    Fantasy Insiders: The way you defend your country is as though your country’s agencies are tracking you.

    BELOW IS A CAPTION OF YOUR LOUSY LYING AND EXAGGERATION.

    Fantasy Insiders: A survey shows “85% of people believe that members of the national parliament are corrupt”.

    The actual quote reads

    Fantasy Insiders: A survey shows “85% of people believe that SOME members of the national parliament are corrupt”.

    You omitted the key catchword – SOME – to pretend that “all” members of the national parliament are corrupt.

    AND THIS ONE MUST BE DESPERATE to no frontier. Your reuter weblink supplied below is 3 years outdated.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-politics-corruption-idUSKCN1NU04U

    Any member of OZ parliament indicted for corruption offence since that date?

    Remember this English proverb – a drowning man will clutch at a straw.

    YOU!

    Shameful.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders

    Adding on the aforementioned post,YOUR FANTASY LYING and distortions in this thread has no class.

    It is embarrassing, akin to a prank of a 5-yr old toddler’s behavior.

    Of course, you can still atone for your kiddy-like behavior (not to me) but to other TR E readers.

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  • xoxo:

    At least Chinese govt never denies their communist practices n ways.
    But wasnt a FREE USA’s TRUMPing president behaving like he is a COMMUNIZT leader ,DOGMATIC N SACKING officials who displayed dissenting views?

    The SAME it is in $IN CITY???
    So,whats commie n whats not these days.

    What is important is the *ELECTED* MUST SERVE THE PEOPLE.
    In SG,it seems the PEOple must serve the PAPple?

    And,SG IS EFFECTIVELY ONE-PARTY GOVT.
    Even the EP is erected by the same?

    TKL,no need to go to China.
    In Sg,YOUR CPF IS NOT YOUR MONEY
    IT IS THE GOVT”S???

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  • Fantasy Insiders:

    Apologies for destroying your dearly held rosy views of Australia. The realities reported by Australians themselves can be hard to accept.

    Please continue to live in your imaginary “clean” country if that makes you happy.

    oxygen: Adding on the aforementioned post,YOUR FANTASY LYING and distortions in this thread has no class.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Fantasy Insiders,

    YOU REALLY CAN LIVE UP to your fantasy moniker – a fart of fiction.

    Fantasy Insiders: Apologies for destroying your dearly held rosy views of Australia. The realities reported by Australians themselves can be hard to accept.

    Please continue to live in your imaginary “clean” country if that makes you happy.

    It is obvious that nobody join your conversations in this thread or in any other TRE threads of substantive informed discussions.

    Why?

    Your assertions/distortions are your fantasy scrip and discredited farts of fiction.

    HAVE A NICE DAY FARTING!

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Bbc

    One moment say i must not speak ill of China, and need to help China positively. Next moment say China not my country, i am not relevant.

    Tell you what, i am more determined than yesterday to help any China people to wake up from their sick CCP rulers.

    Why, trying to use 1.4B to scare the world? Or as CCP supporter, try to use their bodies to build wall to protect the CCP leaders?

    Just get ready for war, try it. The world has wakened since 2020.
    I am sorry for people of China, but they deserve their gov.

    Bbc:
    @Mike

    Of course China is not your country and people like you are irrelevant to China. It is upto 1.4b people of China to take on any threats and I wish them well and am confident of their ability to keep China and its people secured and safe, and continue its rise again.

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