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Use logic, reasoning and statistical knowledge

Someone asked me if I watched videos of doctors who hold alternative opinions, e.g. about the risk of vaccination.

I do.

I watched many alternative videos (but not all of them).

I use my logic, reasoning and knowledge of statistics to know what is reliable and what is not.

Some of these doctors with alternative views talk about the possibility that the virus can cause certain kinds of side effects.

My common sense tells me that we should differentiate between the rare case and the majority of cases. We should use what is statistically significant to make decisions, i.e. cannot decide on the rare cases.

Some of these doctors want to build up a channel of followers. They exaggerate the rare cases and hope that many people (I shall not call them idiots) follow them.

I decide what is relevant and what is not. I share the videos and views that I find to be reliable and useful. They are meant for people who trust that I know how to use logic, reasoning and common sense.

People who think that they are smarter than me are not required to agree with me. But I do not wish to spend (waste) my time to debate with them.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

 

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53 Responses to “Use logic, reasoning and statistical knowledge”

  • Gerrard:

    If you free nothing to do, Gold Chain, go watch Doctor X video.
    You where got Common Sense ? Already senile , how to reason ?

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  • nathan chen:

    Don’t know say don’t know. Don’t say rare. Even US experts at this moment can’t explain why some covid-19 vaccines cause muscles surrounding the region of the heart to harden and hope to find an explanation and hopefully find a solution to this adverse side effects. At least these experts admit they don’t know. Unlike our local experts who always blame it on some underlying causes when they are unsure. Life-threatening side effects happen for a reason. How can our experts blame the students who got out of ICU on weight-lifting. You see any vaccinated heavyweight lifters Olympians in Tokyo admitted to the ICU in Japan?

    Tech: Remember the PAPies can do no wrong, always someone or something else at fault?

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  • Wah…

    Heard today Sinkieland got 100 clusters and growing wor.

    So by logic, reasoning and stats, my guts tells me that Sinkieland will go full-blown in a matter of weeks liao lor.

    And schools are not closed yet? Yummy yummy says the C19 Delta.

    Why the MTF no comment on this 100? All on LOONG leave?

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  • Anti mRNA:

    If the rare case is death I have to be clear-minded not based on statistics or even the experts who keep pushing people to vaccinate saying “the benefits outweigh the risk” because any death will affect our loved ones!

    The “experts” may judge as non-related for fear of offending the gahmen but as long as the death is associated with the vaccine whether the person being jabbed & died after 29 hours or 8 hours I have to be wise NOT TO BE FOOLED! THIS IS TO SHOW YOU WHO IS WISE & WHO IS A BOOK-SMART IDIOT!

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2021/08/03/elderly-woman-dies-8-hours-after-first-covid-19-vaccine-jab-family-is-looking-for-answers/

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2021/06/18/man-claims-his-mother-died-a-day-after-taking-covid-19-pfizer-jab-urges-netizens-with-similar-experience-to-contact-him/

    Even there is slight suspicion that the death happens after vaccination while cleaning the floor or a few hours after taking hypertensive drug I will be afraid of this mRNA vaccine!

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  • maths idiot:

    You want to shoot or not, no one take a gun and force you to do it, it is up to you. Writer ‘chiak bah boh tai ji zo’ write this type of article for what. Maybe he believes that if you have nothing to do, ‘nothing to do will come and find you’.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    You Cunt stop an idiot from trying to B smart…U R an idiot if U tink U can…don’t ever bring urself to debate an Idiot he will win through years of X_perience period!!!

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  • oxygen:

    THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF STUPID PEOPLE, those who are stupid and knows they are stupid and those deformed species that are TOO STUPID TO EVEN BEGIN TO DISCOVER they are stupid beyond infinity.

    The latter is called Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Wikipedia:The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability.

    As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability;

    that is, “the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others”.

    It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people’s inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence.

    You see that phenomena in financial markets happening all the time – the failed “gamblers” use plenty of selectively bias and broken “logic, reasoning and statistics” in deriving their stock selection/evaluation/entry-exit decisions.

    You see this lot failing rounds after rounds and after rolling endless defeat have not and never discover why the “misfortunes” always endlessly visit them.

    They didn’t know why they bought a mirror for themselves in their own washrooms or mirrors are found commonly in washroom. They probably think that “THEY CAN SEE THEMSELVES” (when the opposite is often the case).

    Dunning–Kruger effect

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

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  • Sperm of Whales:

    People who suggests they are wise, are…..

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  • Walao eh, heard bus drivers also kenna bitten. Who says Delta don’t take buses and MRT one? lol

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  • ah chik:

    Ah Tan,you are entitled to your opinions.Opinion has got nothing to do with smartness.
    Some self-proclaimed aristoCRAPS said DONT WEAR MASKS BUT NOW SAY YOU WILL BE FINED IF YOU DONT WEAR A MASK?

    So,Ah Tan,just accept constructive criticisms of your opinions,however smart you perceive you are,as others may think otherwise.

    But I cannot buy your take.
    Better to take precautions than kpkb later.

    Btw,why are you still in Sg.
    Thought you oredy in Beijing working for Boss Xi?

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  • Russian roulette.:

    Is playing Russian roulette legal?

    Technically it is illegal in most countries. Although there aren’t necessarily laws saying you cannot specifically play Russian roulette. The laws that would apply relate to things like public endangerment.

    We all know that the vaccination is for “emergency use only” and to me it is like playing “Russian roulette” as there is a certain risk.

    Good luck.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Russian roulette

    YOU MAY WANT TO READ THIS, I stumbled upon this interesting read.

    Russian roulette.: We all know that the vaccination is for “emergency use only” and to me it is like playing “Russian roulette” as there is a certain risk.

    Good luck.

    Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA Technology, Signals the Worst-Case Scenario About Covid-19 Vaccines

    https://ghionjournal.com/vaccine-911-ade/

    and this twitter page link.

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421391277682307077%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fghionjournal.com%2Fvaccine-911-ade%2F

    Like I said before, on this covid-19 vaccine, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, TRUST NOBODY (including my comments here – I am no anti-vaxxer, just can’t trust mRNA) and decide whether you want to go for the vaccine or not.

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  • oxygen:

    @ TKL

    MATE, IN SUCH A SHORT PAGE, you tossed in voluntarily this amazing declaration.

    TKL:I decide what is relevant and what is not. I share the videos and views that I find to be reliable and useful. They are meant for people who trust that I know how to use logic, reasoning and common sense

    I have compelling apprehension that some readers will ask you these questions

    Are you desperate

    - to be agreed on?

    - to be loved in total agreement with you/your thoughts?

    - to be admired of your use of “logic, reasoning and statistics” in your thoughts derivation?

    Just my bewildering thought.

    I thought a great mind WOULD WANT TO SHARE his incisive thoughts to those in contrarian thinking, be challenged vigorously and avail himself of vigorous rebut/defence thereon instead.

    Why?

    Very simple – the more one learns, the more one discovers one don’t know and needed to search further in discovery of facts.

    KNOWLEDGE IS AN EXPANDING CIRCLE, that is why we have innovations after innovation, technology disrupters disrupting technology disrupter and only one survive/prosper in the brutal attrition.

    The one hiding in self-pride, needing like-minded applause and residing in a cocoon of an empty ego will decay slowly into irrelevant obsolescence.

    DO YOU AGREE WITH ME on this one?

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  • BK:

    Quote: “I decide what is relevant and what is not. I share the videos and views that I find to be reliable and useful. They are meant for people who trust that I know how to use logic, reasoning and common sense.

    People who think that they are smarter than me are not required to agree with me. But I do not wish to spend (waste) my time to debate with them.”

    TKL needs to repeatedly repeat his smartness. U wonder if he is trying to convince himself?

    Did TKL smartness told him he will lose his Presidential deposit? Well, same TKL calibre that promotes China. Go figure.

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  • TKL Fan:

    Great post, Mr Tan. No point to waste your time to debate with those who consider themselves smarter than you. According to a commentator, they are likely to have overrated themselves!

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  • For those who may be unaware, the inventor of mRNA technology has issued a strong warning about the Covid-19 Vaccines.

    Mind you, we are talking about the father of mRNA technology, so better to take it seriously and go read: https://ghionjournal.com/vaccine-911-ade/

    Points to note are, according to the inventor, Dr Robert Malone:

    1. vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,
    2. the vaccine acutally causes the C19 virus to replicate more efficiently.

    In plain simple English, my understanding is that vaccinated individuals (when infected) will have a higher virus load than those unvaccinated, thus they are more likely to infect others than unvaccinated individuals (when infected).

    Err… the idiots at MTF were saying…?

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  • TKL, Man Up!:

    Tan Kin Lian: People who think that they are smarter than me are not required to agree with me. But I do not wish to spend (waste) my time to debate with them.

    @ Tan Kin Lian
    Just admit you don’t have “balls” to hold a debate. Why post in the first place when you lack substance to defend? You call yourself man?

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  • sad and dangerous situation:

    Reality is the Delta variant is creating havoc in every country including
    those countries with high level of Vaccinated like Israel.
    Something about the Virus we do not know…

    Maybe the Delta or other future more deathly mutation could be the result of reaction to the Vaccine…this Virus is very smart and could have react to overcome the Vaccine response.

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  • Shenkoji Buchikonya:

    Tan Kin Lian:
    I use my logic, reasoning and knowledge of statistics to know what is reliable and what is not.

    This is the biggest pile of farraginous obfuscation I’ve ever heard.
    If you’re not willing to critically examine your own beliefs, then they are worthless. So maybe logic has substantive content after all!

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  • Russian roulette.::

    Oxygen:

    Thanks bro, I will read it later. Just reach home from driving. Struggling for life.

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  • Wise Man:

    Proverbs Chapter 15 Wise Man
    1 A gentle answer turns away wrath,
    but a harsh word stirs up anger.

    2 The tongue of the wise adorns knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes folly.

    3 The eyes of the Lord are everywhere,
    keeping watch on the wick*d and the good.

    4 The soothing tongue is a tree of life,but a perverse tongue crushes the spirit.

    5 A fool spurns a parent’s discipline,
    but whoever heeds correction shows prudence.

    6 The house of the righteous contains great treasure,but the income of the wick*d brings ruin.

    7 The lips of the wise spread knowledge,but the hearts of fools are not upright.

    8 The Lord detests the sacrifice of the wick*d, but the prayer of the upright pleases him.

    9 The Lord detests the way of the wick*d, but he loves those who pursue righteousness.

    10 Stern discipline awaits anyone who leaves the path; the one who hates correction will die.

    11 Death and Destruction[a] lie open before the Lord— how much more do human hearts!

    12 Mockers resent correction,so they avoid the wise.

    13 …..17

    18 A hot-tempered person stirs up conflict,but the one who is patient calms a quarrel.

    19 The way of the sluggard is blocked with thorns, but the path of the upright is a highway.

    20 A wise son brings joy to his father, but a foolish man despises his mother.

    21 Folly brings joy to one who has no sense, but whoever has understanding keeps a straight course.

    22 Plans fail for lack of counsel,
    but with many advisers they succeed.

    23 A person finds joy in giving an apt reply— and how good is a timely word!

    24 The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead.

    25 The Lord tears down the house of the proud, but he sets the widow’s boundary stones in place.

    26 The Lord detests the thoughts of the wick*d, but gracious words are pure in his sight.

    27 The greedy bring ruin to their households, but the one who hates bribes will live.

    28 The heart of the righteous weighs its answers, but the mouth of the wick*d gushes evil.

    29 The Lord is far from the wick*d,
    but he hears the prayer of the righteous.

    30 Light in a messenger’s eyes brings joy to the heart, and good news gives health to the bones.

    31 Whoever heeds life-giving correction will be at home among the wise.

    32 Those who disregard discipline despise themselves, but the one who heeds correction gains understanding.

    33 Wisdom’s instruction is to fear the Lord, and humility comes before honor

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  • oxygen:

    @ TRE Techie

    YES, YES, YES, the article/weblink gone viral of your mentioned below was subjected to concerted DDOS attack of criminal harassment proportion. The attackers’ aim? To deny as many as possible of discovery of truth to make a life/death informed decision on their health choice.

    TRE Techie: For those who may be unaware, the inventor of mRNA technology has issued a strong warning about the Covid-19 Vaccines.

    Mind you, we are talking about the father of mRNA technology, so better to take it seriously and go read: https://ghionjournal.com/vaccine-911-ade/

    The more the thuggish censorship axe falls on the publisher, the more likely I conclude the author publishing the “offending” article is truth telling.

    The same author whose post gone viral has now warned ALL of these revelations.

    MUST READ -

    The Smoking Jab: Fauci and the NIH Knew Covid-19 “Vaccines” Could Lead to Antibody-Dependent Enhancement

    https://ghionjournal.com/fauci-nih-knew-covid-19-vaccines-could-lead-antibody-dependent-enhancement/

    If it is true, the revelation adds another layer of sin evidence that FDA is another moral cesspool – exactly exposed in the now discredited BIOGEN’s certification received of its dementia “cure” vaccine recently.

    Any comment in the media from Dr. A Fauci would be GREATLY WELCOMED AND URGENTLY WAITED ON.

    I remember this

    - logic can be twisted of deliberate blindsided with intent to mislead.

    - reasoning can be shallow, spins or dumber than Dunning-Kruger effect beyond infinity

    - statistics can be fabricated of all lies and public misinformation.

    DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH – trust nobody ESPECIALLY POLITICAL COWS AND LEOPARDS, and their closet stooges paid 10 cents per troll looking for school fees to enrol in dumbest schools on earth!

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  • oxygen:

    ANY TOAD – gender disregarded – who patronisingly frequent the political arena offering self-acclaimed profundities on some widely publicly-read social media platform but refused of challenge is not only suspect of intellectual hollows but also dangerous to be align with of political reliability.

    It is far easier for such closet political actors and actresses to get on the political stage, undressed and start dancing to get more attention (if such is “legal”) even it is comical of public attention getting.

    Political message sent by Barack Obama attack on Sarah Pailin – “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig”- has merit.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/campaign.lipstick/

    The compelling truth is that if you dressed up a monkey on a (political) stage with a tuxedo, IT IS STILL A MONKEY.

    An actor/actresses (be that Sarah Palin or B Obama) won’t bite you if challenged BUT DON’T BE SO SURE IF IT IS A MONKEY on the stage EVEN IF THE OWNER/OWNERS FEED HIS/HER PET MONKEY.

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  • oxygen:

    POLITICAL COWS, LEOPARDS, pigs and monkeys are different animals – ALL LOOKING FOR SCHOOL FEES – but they are not equally or transparently dangerous to challenge.

    And you certainly CAN’T PUT a tuxedo or lipstick on all of them.

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  • To sir TKL:

    By now, you should have realized :
    1. There is a bug significant proportion of Singaporeans who subscribe to Autocracy as proven by their thinking and voting.

    2. Democracy does not work now because it depends on the Majority.
    Majority , by the law of Darwinism is such that the Wise cannot be the Majority if we assume there is simply only Wise and unwise.

    3. Many Singaporeans when confronted with the ills of Autocracy their stand is :
    A. If it does not affect me, if I am not the victim, I dun give a damn if he is tortured. Nimby.

    4. Asian Culture and Values is surrounding Autocracy. Right or wrong is a separate issue.

    I have enlightened TKL.

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  • Death-a-calling:

    –When death-comes-a-calling, everybody, repeat everybody, will rush to be vaccinated .
    –Especially those self-appointed scientists who like to post about how dangerous mRNA is—THEY HAVE ZERO IDEA OF WHAT IT IS.
    –Do not hide in your cave consuming false data—If your neighbour died after vaccination, it does not mean he died DUE to vaccination.
    –5 billion of our neighbours are alive and kicking after VACCINATION; 5,000,000,000.
    —These numbers CANNOT be wrong!

    ..”” Louisiana, where just 37% of the population is fully vaccinated — and which had the most new cases per capita last week — saw daily vaccination rates rise 111% compared to three weeks ago. The state ranks 47th overall for the share of the population with at least one dose of vaccine, but last week ranked first in new vaccinations per 100,000 residents.”
    … More than 99.99% of people who are fully vaccinated have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death. And yes, that’s even taking into account the more transmissible Delta variant.
    CNN.

    Tech: Pardon me, do you consider the inventor of mRNA technology also a clueless “self-appointed scientists”? He has officially said that Pfizer does more harm than good and is practically useless. The pfizer actually helps the virus to mutate, what do you have to say about that?

    Mind you, we are talking about the father of mRNA technology, so better to take it seriously and go read: https://ghionjournal.com/vaccine-911-ade/

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  • MarBowling:

    Tan Golden Chain

    Who the HELL YOU THINK YOU ARE!? A Proxy Emperor w/o clothes! Anybody(whether SMARTER or MORE STUPID than YOU)on planet earth, especially in SinKapore DEFINITELY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO AGREE WITH YOU, PERIOD! He or she also DOES NOT WISH to SPEND(WASTE)PRECIOUS TIME TO DEBATE WITH YOU, PERIOD!

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  • Al Gore:

    Al Gore claimed to be the Father of the Internet, you do not have to believe him
    Similarly, if a total stranger claim to be your father, you should disbelieve him.
    So if anybody claim to have invented mRNA, do likewise.
    Look and make decision based on big data.
    180 nations/government have started vaccination.
    Those that have not are very poor countries.
    Richer nations opted for mRNA, because they can afford it.
    AntiVaxxers do not trust any government or any vaccine.
    They choose to live in their own caves, poisoned by antivax propaganda.
    Indeed, 5,000,000,000 people and 180 governments cannot be wrong.
    Remember AntiVax movements exists solely to sell vitamins through FEAR!

    Tech: I beg to differ. I can ignore someone claiming to be my father, but not dispute the facts that are properly and fully documented. You remind me of a former TRE reader, are you related to “mike”? The reason I asked is that you appear to have the same mentality as him. lol

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  • oxygen:

    @ Death-a-calling

    5 BILLION VACCINATED or you plucking fiction from your hallucinatory mind?

    Death-a-calling: –5 billion of our neighbours are alive and kicking after VACCINATION; 5,000,000,000.
    —These numbers CANNOT be wrong!

    The highest vaccination rate countries like Israel, Chile is still ravaged by Covid Delta surge. How many waves of such surge is rampaging USA now that 60% is at least one dose vaccinated?

    What is happening to Nanjing and Wuhan in China now of panicky responses if any vaccines work of immunity protection?

    How come infection still surging in countries where more than half is at least fully vaccinated like LEE-jiapore? That is to say if the infection rate is less than 1 (infected) on 1 (infecting), the virus should die down as vaccination saturated out the available hosts (protected/immunity achieved) to diminish breakthrough infection?

    DR Malone, the inventor of mRNA, warned….”we might very well be witnessing the emergence of a deadly condition called Antibody-Dependent Enhancement” (ADE). It is doing its work in the body of 5 billion (?? according to your number) vaccinated, maybe slowly but surely of compromised immunity capacity??

    https://ghionjournal.com/fauci-nih-knew-covid-19-vaccines-could-lead-antibody-dependent-enhancement/

    Dr. A Fauci is alleged to be aware of this ADE, why is he SILENT on this, not even denying knowledge, let alone disagreeing (if any) with Dr. Malone. Big Pharma silent. Political cows got deep-throated unable to speak to, even of denial?

    @ Death-a-calling, YOU ARE AVOIDING REALITY.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Death-a-calling

    COULD YOU KINDLY DO ALL TRE READERS and yourself a favor? Please ask the “respected” smartie scholar/expert @ TKL if he agrees with your 5 billion vaccinated cases on this planet?

    @ TKL declared his advocacy of logic, reasoning and statistics in decision analysis and his outcome determination in this pandemic debate, right?

    Ask @ TKL if his “acceptance” (if so) of your “statistics” also support your logic, reasoning and conclusion derived in this thread of your cultivation.

    My stats says less than 8 billion inhabitants living on this planet at the moment. 5 out 8 billion says 62.5% vaccinated which is about the rate attained in LEE-jiapore, one of the highest in the world and part of a very small minority of this achievement.

    Down Under, S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, India and everywhere in Asean, Middle East and Africa way way lower even of one dose.

    Your 5 billion “statistics” is therefore your fart of fiction.

    SHOULD WE THEN APPLY THIS FART OF FICTION to extrapolate “logic, and reason” extension of exaggeration to derive the sound (aka UNSOUND) conclusion of your making in accordance to @TKL affirmative dictates here?

    Maybe @ TKL can do a lot better than you!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Death-a-calling

    Read this case study of what happened in a family all fully vaccinated.

    My family and I all have Covid. We’re fully vaccinated. It’s clear we need another lockdown

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/family-covid-fully-vaccinated-clear-124120255.html

    Use logic, reasoning and “statistics”?

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  • BK:

    Shenkoji Buchikonya: This is the biggest pile of farraginous obfuscation I’ve ever heard.
    If you’re not willing to critically examine your own beliefs, then they are worthless. So maybe logic has substantive content after all!

    U do have a way with words bro. Even in disagreement, it is enjoyable. Cheers!!

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  • 99.99% no hospital:

    Covid vaccine is 99.99% effective in preventing the vaccinated from landing in hospital with serious covid.
    That is good enough for 5 billion of thinking humans.
    If you choose otherwise, go read this
    ….”A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID.”
    https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    oxygen:
    @ Death-a-calling

    Read this case study of what happened in a family all fully vaccinated.

    My family and I all have Covid. We’re fully vaccinated. It’s clear we need another lockdown

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/family-covid-fully-vaccinated-clear-124120255.html

    Use logic, reasoning and “statistics”?

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  • @99.99% no hospital:

    Your statement is not entirely true. Take the stats of MOH as an example, there are those fully vaccinated that are seriously ill and/or in ICU.

    According to the expose from the inventor of the mRNA, that GOP official from Texas would have died anyway, even if he is vaccinated because the vaccine does not offer any protection from infection or spread. And if the C19 did not kill him instantly, the vaccine would probably kill him eventually (due to toxin buildup in the body).

    https://ghionjournal.com/vaccine-911-ade/

    Don’t take my word for it, hear it from the mRNA inventor.

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  • TKL Fan:

    There is a lot to advocate for using logic, reasoning and statistics. Any method can go wrong if a person doesn’t use it probably. For example, when the statistics are not probably verified.

    Some lazy people simply read headlines and accept totally. “Singaporeans trust the taskforce.” Yes, yes, yes, we trust the taskforce. Life is easy for their brains.

    99.99% no hospital: Covid vaccine is 99.99% effective in preventing the vaccinated from landing in hospital with serious covid.

    TRE Techie: @99.99% no hospital:

    Your statement is not entirely true. Take the stats of MOH as an example, there are those fully vaccinated that are seriously ill and/or in ICU.

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  • oxygen:

    @ 99.99% no hospital:

    IF YOUR MAVERICK CLAIMS of 99.99% vaccine effectiveness and a microscopic of the balance is breakthrough infection, WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER about the residual 0.01% declining to be vaccinated?

    The unvaccinated may have long been infected and cultivated their immunity defence far stronger than the vaccine can supply of “fictitious” protection.

    99.99% no hospital: Covid vaccine is 99.99% effective in preventing the vaccinated from landing in hospital with serious covid.

    I say “fictitious” because there are lots of vaccine that do not requires repeated booster jabs unlike covid vaccines. Once vaccinated it last a life time – like small pox and tuberculosis.

    If a vaccine is effective, it does not find its efficacy dwindling so rapidly of defence against infection – unless big pharma and political cows are selling snake oil cure against cobra bites.

    As for this claimed statistics

    99.99% no hospital: That is good enough for 5 billion of thinking humans.

    I am humoured that it needs to protective camouflaged cover of different monikers in this thread. I don’t see this statistics anywhere else except in this thread of make belief and mischief.

    But I make allowance that these different monikers are hiding their source “emptiness of credibility” may have something to do with 10 cents per post trolling trying to earn a school fees seeking to learn/improve how to troll better each and future time.

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  • oxygen:

    TRE Techie

    MOH daily briefing published in social media (like Yahoo.com.sg) on fully vaccinated that are seriously ill and/or in ICU is often CONVOLUTED OF EXPRESSION nearly impossible for public to decipher of how many actually.

    TRE Techie: Take the stats of MOH as an example, there are those fully vaccinated that are seriously ill and/or in ICU.

    Their spin is incomprehensible and the words imports/use is almost identical of its confusing narratives every day.

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  • Shenkoji Buchikonya:

    BK: U do have a way with words bro. Even in disagreement, it is enjoyable. Cheers!!

    Betrand Russell’s Theory of Logical Types and Gilbert Ryle’s Category Mistake both address this kind of paradox which bears similarity to the Liar paradox. I have wrestled with this contradiction for years and wonder how Mr. Tan Kin Lian’s “I use my logic, reasoning and knowledge of statistics to know what is reliable and what is not.” might address it. Tall order I guess (:

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  • oxygen:

    FORGET THE STATISTICS for now as a plaything of political cows, any inquiring must ask the obvious question – IF THE VACCINE IS EFFECTIVE, how come those vaccinated still has to wear face mask AS A LITMUS TEST OF LOGIC AND REASONING?

    Or is it that logic and reasoning fails completely?

    If not so, did vaccination fails completely of its claimed protective immunity value?

    US CDC even recommended face mask wearing AT HOME even as US rammed up its vaccination towards the 60% fully vaccinated rate.

    Oh, now logic, reasoning AND STATISTICS COLLIDE with protective immunity claims of Covid vaccine!!

    This thread’s content articulation is rubbish or at least engaged in shallow pandering to imaginary wisdom.

    Or is it not still?

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    To sir TKL:
    By now, you should have realized :
    1. There is a bug significant proportion of Singaporeans who subscribe to Autocracy as proven by their thinking and voting.

    2. Democracy does not work now because it depends on the Majority.
    Majority , by the law of Darwinism is such that the Wise cannot be the Majority if we assume there is simply only Wise and unwise.

    3. Many Singaporeans when confronted with the ills of Autocracy their stand is :
    A. If it does not affect me, if I am not the victim, I dun give a damn if he is tortured. Nimby.

    4. Asian Culture and Values is surrounding Autocracy. Right or wrong is a separate issue.

    I have enlightened TKL.

    Don’ teach a pig to fly you will waste your time and ANNOY the pig
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  • A fast changing world:

    A brief history of covid vaccine, mainly about pfizer.

    1. Lab test. Claimed 95% efficacy against infection, any infection.

    2. FDA approved for EMERGENCY use. Has not been upgraded to normal use.

    3. Actual results.
    a) Israel claimed over 90% effectiveness. Other countries made similar claims.
    b) Recently, Israel and other country data show 0% effectiveness. Blame on Delta or whatever.
    c) Vaccinated people shown to be as likely to be infected and equally infectious (or more since many are not aware of their infection).

    4. Actual results
    a) Claims on infection prevention is forgotten. “Experts” now claim prevention of serious infection. They admit, as data show, that a small percentage still end up in hospital or death. Singapore recent data shows 1% for vaccinated and 6% for un-vaccinated.
    b) Some reports in UK show that the data for serious un-vaccinated cases may be misleading. Many cases were already in hospital for other reasons, and they caught covid while in hospital. It appears to be similar for Singapore.
    c) There is some dispute/doubt about the effectiveness % for preventing serious cases.

    This is my brief summary based on memory. Please dispute if you have better data.

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  • oxygen:

    @ A fast changing world

    GREAT INSIGHT SHARING, thanks for that!

    A fast changing world: b) Some reports in UK show that the data for serious un-vaccinated cases may be misleading. Many cases were already in hospital for other reasons, and they caught covid while in hospital. It appears to be similar for Singapore

    The logic, reasoning and statistical knowledge mantra is drowned in an ocean of blind stupidity. The iconic irony is blatantly advertised in the media for naivety of public consumption is these -

    - when death comes soon after vaccination, it is called death from cormobidities

    - when death comes to the unvaccinated, it is due to unprotected lack of immunity of no vaccination prior.

    THE NARRATIVE AND DISCOLOURISED THEATRE NEVER ASK the obvious – how come death NEVER VISIT the mortal on the hour/day or weeks before vaccination due date or better still sitting on the chair just moments before the vaccine injection takes place?

    If vaccine is the cure, how come mining entities don’t vaccinate their employees (instead of daily coping with costly disrupted operation, even mines shut downs) in remote locations where the risks of re-infection (after vaccination assumed) is likely to be minus infinity thereafter (given panoramic-scale social distancing in remote geography from and compared to the ease of pandemic spread in density of urbanised living)??

    The EXPECTED MAGIC OF VACCINE DIDN’T WORK IN MINING CAMPS, notably in Chile, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Alaska and in the African continent is telling of truths of failed vaccines.

    LOGIC, REASONING AND STATISTICAL (and financial data I might add of costs escalations in mining operations) knowledge does not work in mining camps.

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  • Everything 50/50.. wa bo chap?:

    * What do you call a “CAN OPENER that doesn’t work? It’s a “CAN’T” OPENER.

    * Why are there gates around cemeteries?
    Because people are dying to get in!

    * Why is Peter Pan always flying? Because he Neverlands

    * Why is Kin Lian such a big supporter of the Chinese Communist Party.
    Because since he left the Perverted Avaricious Partisans behind he couldn’t find any other similar place to party.

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  • MarBowling:

    A fast changing world:
    August 6, 2021 at 2:29 am (Quote)
    A brief history of covid vaccine, mainly about pfizer.
    This is my brief summary based on memory. Please dispute if you have better data.

    Response: Better data or Mother of Hard Truths are:

    Tombmasek Holdings and GIC both under the armpit of Holee Jinx and Mai Hum respectively have INVESTED hundreds of $millions of taxpayers hard earned money in pharmaceutical company Pfizer in which they have also pre-ordered the mNRA Pfizer vaccines that also COST $billions of taxpayers taxpayers hard earned money! And the Pfizer vaccines which have ONLY 6 months shelf life are ARRIVING in SinKapore in batches VERY FAST AND FURIOUS! And that is WHY the Husband and Wifey Tag Team DON’T RECOGNIZE the EFFICACY and SAFETY of Chinese vaccine Sinovac which has arrived here in Feb 2021 and was NOT APPROVED for use until EARLY Jun 2021. Moreover, folks who have to PAY for the Sinovac jab ARE NOT COVERED under National Vaccination Program. That means that unlike the Pfizer jab which the Coverment will pay out $10,000 for patient that requires admission to High Dependency or Intensive Care, with subsequent recovery, and $225,000 for patient that RESULTS in DEATH OR PERMANENT SEVERE DISABILITY, ANY FOLK WHO STUBBORNLY REFUSES TO TAKE THE HOLEE PFIZER JAB BUT INSTEAD TAKE THE CHINESE VACCINE SINOVAC, THERE IS ZERO COVERAGE AND YOU DIE YOUR BUSINESS!

    Now EVERYONE should REALIZE and UNDERSTAND why Mai Hum and wifey Holee Jinx are DESPERATE and SWEATY under the armpit! Mai Hum even has to appear on TV to show his FFACE to URGE and PUSH HARD for Older Folks to take their Holee Pfizer jabs! Btw, the 200,000 Sinovac jabs are only sufficient to cater for 100,000 folks. The remaining more than 100,000 folks have to wait LOONG LOONG and Tan Cuckoo for the next batch of Chinese vaccine Sinovac. Anyway, since 22 July 2021, Parkway Shenton has obtained approval from HSA to import another Chinese vaccine, Sinopharm under the very SPECIAL ROUTE SCHEME OF THINGS. THINK, as usual your have to PAP(Pay and Pay)with NO COVERAGE! However, unlike Sinovac which the Coverment distributed FOC to the 26 SELECTED clinics which then charged administrative fees for the LUCKY 100,000 folks, this TIME ROUND think Parkway Shenton will go for the THROAT of those remaining more that 100,000 remaining UNVACCINATED folks! Like Simon always say, what do you think?

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  • You can choose:

    To AntiVaxxers—you can choose to ignore all the data that is coming in.
    The fact that 180 governments started vaccination should tell you that you may be wrong.
    The other Gs are too poor to vaccinate their citizens.
    In other words, AntiVaxxers do not trust a SINGLE government in the world.
    Further they think that the 4 to 5 billion vaccinated people are stupid.
    This is the age of Internet—ignorance is a choice.
    We read what you read; we have access to all your articles.
    We conclude differently.
    BTW, why anti-mRNA people do not use Sinovac; but spend their time attacking all vaccines.

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  • oxygen:

    @ You can choose

    STILL WONDERING WHY of this riddle?

    You can choose:
    BTW, why anti-mRNA people do not use Sinovac; but spend their time attacking all vaccines.

    Here is the answer.

    Southeast Asia turning away from Chinese vaccines as delta variant surges

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/southeast-asia-turning-away-chinese-113939190.html

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  • @Oxygen

    My common sense tells me that the stats provided by MOH are simply not a true reflection of the actual situation in Sinkieland, if you take into account the C19 situations from all around the world, including China.

    That having said, I would rather trust the flying pigs then those idiots at MTF.

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  • TKL's Doppelganger, Techie:

    TRE Techie:
    @Oxygen

    My common sense tells me that the stats provided by MOH are simply not a true reflection of the actual situation in Sinkieland, if you take into account the C19 situations from all around the world, including China.

    That having said, I would rather trust the flying pigs then those idiots at MTF.

    @ Techie

    Your opening tagline seems to follow TKL’s. “My common sense tells me….blah blah blah” Just to let you know. You HAVE it. He don’t. lol

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  • BK:

    Shenkoji Buchikonya: Betrand Russell’s Theory of Logical Types and Gilbert Ryle’s Category Mistake both address this kind of paradox which bears similarity to the Liar paradox. I have wrestled with this contradiction for years and wonder how Mr. Tan Kin Lian’s “I use my logic, reasoning and knowledge of statistics to know what is reliable and what is not.” might address it. Tall order I guess (:

    Yo bro (: Heavy stuff u read dude!!

    Interesting TKL problematic. Tough day, so indulge me, trying to relax.

    TKL is centering on statistics, numbers dont lie. Well, thats what he thinks. A glass is half full. A glass is half empty. Both are true. But is full = empty?

    Another example:

    Abraham is tasked with reviewing damaged planes coming back from sorties over Germany in the Second World War. He has to review the damage of the planes to see which areas must be protected even more.

    Abraham finds that the fuselage and fuel system of returned planes are much more likely to be damaged by bullets or flak than the engines. What should he recommend to his superiors?

    ANSWER: PROTECT THE PARTS THAT DON’T HAVE DAMAGE

    Abraham Wald, a member of the Statistical Research Group at the time, saw this problem and made an unconventional suggestion that saved countless lives.

    Don’t arm the places that sustained the most damage on planes that came back. By virtue of the fact that these planes came back, these parts of the planes can sustain damage.

    If an essential part of the plane comes back consistently undamaged, like the engines in the previous example, that’s probably because all the planes with shot-up engines don’t make it back.

    TKL “I use my logic, reasoning and knowledge of statistics to know what is reliable and what is not.”

    ……….

    The liar’s paradox shows that logic can be incoherent, and if u use logic to reason, it obviously cannot be coherent, and knowledge of statistics cannot help if u are logically incoherent.

    The glass full/empty shows that it is the framing of the problem that is impt. Wald’s example shows that it is the counter intuitive or ‘illogical’ that is reliable.

    My take dude (:

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  • oxygen:

    @ TRE Techie

    CNBC reported this of Doximity- The social network for doctors is full of vaccine disinformation yet it is well-known that

    CNBC:Doximity is not an open social network: To join, users must be practicing U.S. health-care professionals. The company verifies members by photo identification of a medical license, a hospital badge, emails from medical institutions and through challenge questions, among other methods.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/06/doximity-social-network-for-doctors-full-of-antivax-disinformation.html

    The conclusion valid is that a LOT OF REGISTERED MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS in USA are willingness ready to sacrifice their medical licence to denounce the mRNA so-called vaccine openly.

    How to trust any government’s or political cows or stooges’ narrative on the real situation going on in the pandemic front?

    TRE Techie: My common sense tells me that the stats provided by MOH are simply not a true reflection of the actual situation in Sinkieland, if you take into account the C19 situations from all around the world, including China.

    That having said, I would rather trust the flying pigs then those idiots at MTF.

    I trust only the mRNA’s inventor whose cautionary contrarian views of his own discovery is to be taken seriously – he should know the dangers and risks contingencies of his invention better than those visitors or armchair observers, merely staring in the microscope in a lab.

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  • Shenkoji Buchikonya:

    My pleasure(: There is no paradox at all in the above, one is clearly false and the other clearly true. Which is which is irrelevant. There is a giant difference between one statement which appears to be both false and true simultaneously, and merely lacking sufficient info to know which of two possible statements are wrong while knowing for certain that one is and the other isn’t.

    The liar’s paradox is only contradictory (or so it appears) because of it’s self-referential nature as far as TKL is concerned in: “I use my logic, reasoning and knowledge of statistics to know what is reliable and what is not.”

    I have two apples, and wifey has three. We have five apples between us. Do I know that by counting the assembled apples? or by adding two to three? In either event, we have five apples. Does that analysis indicate that 2+3 is more important or relevant than counting to 5?

    lol..Bertrand Russell was 350 pages into his ‘Principles…” before he could proved 1+1=2

    Logic can seem to be informative when we arbitrarily decide to apply it to perceptible phenomena in the real world, which would allow us logically to deduce knowledge beyond what is perceptible. Yet this very decision inevitably renders unavailable, or at least anomalous, all possible knowledge about phenomena that behave contrary to logic.

    Let’s take it somewhere we might encompass better:
    Personally, I’m not motivated by Abraham Wald’s sequential probability ratio test counter-example to the Laws of Contradiction or Excluded Middle which in my opinion, apply to propositions, not to properties of objects. For example, either an electron has a fixed position/momentum, or it does not. In the alternative, an electron
    cannot have a determinate or indeterminate position at the same time — it must have one or the other.
    Does arithmetic add value, or add information?

    That said there are several classes of real world problems that currently can’t be solved by these wonderful but limited logic of TKL’s. Weather forecasting is one that everyone deals with everyday. Weather is not “Logical” Earthquakes also, Market “bubbles”, all of the afore mentioned are “Chaotic” but “Deterministic”.

    Those of us that deal with computers have a saying, “GIGO”. Digital Computers at least in hardware do binary logic, they exclude the middle. You input data and receive “Results”. The results are only as good or bad as the data set you use. Garbage in, Garbage out.

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  • BK:

    @ Shenkoji Buchikonya

    Thank u. Nice (:

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  • Shenkoji Buchikonya:

    BK:
    @ Shenkoji Buchikonya

    Thank u. Nice (:

    This has been an interesting conversation. I really enjoyed this. Thank you!… :-)

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