Lee Hsien Loong’s visit to China
I welcome Lee Hsien Loong’s visit to China and in particular, his meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping.
My commentary will briefly covers 3 parts.
Firstly, I am disappointed from reading CNA online news that Lawrence Wong (LW) who is the leader of the fourth generation pap team is not on the list of people who accompany him. I am unsure if LW may join him later on but if he isn’t, then I think it is a missed golden opportunity and a huge regret.
LHL is alearly in his 70s and in the sunset phase of his political life while going forward and barring any unforeseen circumstances, LW will helm the government and if such a golden opportunity for him to get to know the top brass of China’s political leadership and their business leaders better is not maximally capitalised, I can only shake my head and sigh.
Next, China is an old friend of Singapore and a very, very important trading partner. Trade volumes between us have grown by leaps and bounds over the years and is growing strongly.
In recent years, many very wealthy Chinese and their families have migrated to Singapore too and we welcome them. Our co-operations are mutually beneficial but my assessment, to put it bluntly, is that we need them more than they need us.
In our local lingo, Singapore is laughing all the way to the bank.
On the other hand, militarily, Singapore aligns itself very closely with the United States and potential military clashes between China and the US over the Taiwan issues and/or the South China Sea is clear and present danger and they are in our part of the world and almost at our doorstep.
Recently, Singapore has announced that on top of the 4 F35s that we possess, we will be acquiring an additional 8 more very sophisticated US made F35 short takeoff and vertical landing fighter aircrafts.
I fully appreciate that it is not easy but when the geopolitical heat is really turned on us and if Singapore is forced to choose side in their tussle, I pray that the pap government has the wisdom, the guts and the nerves to stay neutral not only in words but in deeds too.
Lastly, I remember pap MP Lim Wee Kiak (LWK) once said in defence of paying pap ministers millions dollars political salary that if they are not then media chiefs who earn millions of dollars in salary need not listen to them lalala..
I want LWK to know that China’s President Xi Jinping and his colleagues do not earn anything close to what LHL earns and if his argument and logic holds water then shouldn’t LHL and his entourage not waste time with them but totally brush off and ignore their views, opinions, suggestions, concerns, proposals and whatsoever completely?
After all, every single one of them on the Singapore side earn much more than China’s President Xi and his team. No?
Pap mp LWK’s superficiality, flawed logic argument and maybe even hidden agendas should once again be recalled, exposed, shamed and debunked or is the Chinese side all merely mediocre leaders going by Goh Chok Tong’s standard of earning S$500,000/ annually?
Think.
Simon Lim
LW is not his choice.
And LW has a slight different in ideas on how to run the country.
Plus LW is honest, unlike lhl.
That’s why must get lhl completely off the stage for LW to carry out his own vision for the people.
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Build good relationship with China.
We need them more than they need us.
Stay Neutral.
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Agree with you,LHL shud have asked LW to tag along instead of OYK.
We must have friendly relations with China as we are also a part of Asia.
USA N CHINA MUST CO-EXIST PEACEFULLY IN COMPETITIVE COOPERATION.
TIME FOR SEEKING PEACE IS HERE.
DONT LET THIS OPPORTUNE TIME SLIPS THE WORLD AS WE COME OUT OF COVID.
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Correct.
You and I are NOT Chinese Chauvinist Pig such as GMS, TKL, who get very excited each time CCP leader XJP farted.
Chinese had so many fake degree holder yet these Pig GMS and TKL kept quiet about it.
This is what BK said and I fully agreed with him.
Our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.
Our backyard is Asean. Asean is a great refuge for us. Our neighbors interests are more important to us than China or US.
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Simon sibei cute and funny.
12 fighter jets nia already want to take sides during a conflict between China and US of A? China has about 2300 combat aircraft and US has 5200 combat aircraft. Sinkieland has not even a single SAM, all it takes to sink it to the bottom is 1 ICBM, does Sinkieland has anything resembling a SAM to stop the ICBM? Send the F35s into lower space to intercept the ICBM in flight?
Does Simon think Sinkie’s fighter jets all can travel at the speed of light issit?
Laugh until my stomach cramp! What has Simon been smoking lately?
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Both claim to represent Singapore interest. When they cannot justify their comments, they hide behind “Singapore interest.” A puppy in TKL home can also represent Singapore interest.
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The puppy in TKL home is better. At least know how to use laptop to type nonsense article in TRE.
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Simon is CPC and China lover… wont he be glad?
We like to ask Empress Dowager and his d**honourable husband as SG is the largest investor in China:
1. 100 over malls, how much money been burnt last 3 years when there was no one shopping
2. How about the industrial parks, how much been burnt last 3 years?
3. To remit money out of China is damn hard, complained by many investors… so how can SG overcome such problem
4. If China invades Taiwan, what will happen to SG investments?
5. We were told that Capitaland China and India still putting a lot of money into these countries. You dont worry?
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Neh pretending to be Chinese.
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Response: Well said. Previously via his Defense Minister Chicken HEN, Mai Hum had offended XJP by passing NEGATIVE comments in the dispute btw China and its neighboring countries in the South China Sea. XJP then showed some COLOUR to Mai Hum by detaining his small military toys in HK! Quite recently Mai Hum being the lapdog of Sleepy Joe proceeded to antagonize PUT-IN by putting sanctions on 4 Russian banks here. Now, with the collapse of SVB and numerous other US banks, the RELENTLESS Printing of US$Trillions of Fart oops Fiat Money out of the THINNEST AIR has to STOP sooner or later, otherwise the COLLAPSE of the ALMIGHTY USD may OCCUR sooner than later!
Looks like Mai Hum has RECENTLY developed COLD FEET and REALIZED that the Holee writing is already on the WALL for his Master, Uncle Sam. Better to keep his farking Big Mouth SHUT and BEFRIEND China again and of course to stop WAGGING his LOONG tail in front of Sleepy Joe!
Tech: Sinkieland is just the size of an Ant on the world stage, with absolutely no pull or push, so it is better to just STFU and sit down and listen, especially when the Lion and Tiger are fighting. Only an idiot would believe that you need a war to take Sinkieland, when just parking an Aircraft Carrier outside Sentosa can liao. Even Taiwan’s army is better armed and equipped than Sinkieland’s. lol
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Build good relationships or friendly relationships?
Provided its mutual. We have been friendly and frank. However, on the other hand dont think China CCP have good track records. First SuZhou, next Terrex otherwise 喊打喊殺…. 說一套, 做另一套.
已經被擺了兩次道, 前車之鑑 慎之慎之.
Even other Asean countries e.g. Duterte 也被擺了一道. Perhaps 好幾道. We seen enough.
Not to forget their debt is 200 plus of GDP. First is Japan then is China. As for their savings , most monies belong to the rich. Average out look like very high but in reality bs one lah.
Friendly okay, support nope.
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCZi7Ywnsy0UkLtYWkPryGZg
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The speech delivered by Ah Loong during Boao Forum 2023 will have far reaching impact across Asia.
It is the wake up call for many leaders in the world to know the importance of Asian economic development to the well being of the world economy.
Well done, Ah Loong!
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possibly lw won’t succeed him. announcement was only to appease public. last minute will find some excuse to put the real successsor in, just watch. I feel there’s a conspiracy going on.
Tech: What is there to “conspiracy” about? As head of the MIW club and famiLEE, what the Supremo wants what the Supremo gets, period. He wants to replace Wong with Ong, who dares cry father cry mother when even his own blood he also can “take good care of”, the rest are all just pawns, no?
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CIA paid operators ordered to attack Singapore.
The fact that the investors have money to take out is a happy problem. They must be making a lot of money in China. Better than throwing money in some countries like a bottomless pit. Only keep losing until dare not tell.
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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/us-china-clash-grievous-consequences-world-pm-lee-boao-forum-asia-3384151
Yes, straight forward speech.
1. He said the COVID-19 pandemic has severely disrupted societies, and that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has profoundly undermined the rules-based international order.
Note. Russia’s “invasion” of Ukraine … undermined the “rules-based international order”.
2. He stressed that Asia should always remain an open region.
Note…remain an “open region”….
Most unfortunate some country try to claim the sea and send fishing boats or vessels to disturb other countries. This country has been saying repeatedly their door will open bigger and bigger for more than 10 years however never realized. When you succeed entering first door, behind still several doors.
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Even Ah Meng could have gone to China and got a better response.
People, China knows $inkeland’s Glorious Leeder is trying to play both China and USA. But he is brain dead if he thinks either of these superpowers give a f*ck about his tiny island.
No matter what happens – economic collapse or war – this island is finished one way or the other. So people – enjoy what time you have left. When idiots rule there is no way to know when the fun starts.
Tech: Wah, what a pessimist!
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Exactly …our great PAP leader LHL speech was widely quoted.
李顯龍安華博鰲後會習近平
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db8WWZG9js8
李顯龍稱世界無法承受中美衝突
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7uFTeHwPOU
Must vote PAP and kick Wayang Party and all Opposition.
Tech: Hm… you mean people actually listen to him speak, outside of Sinkieland?
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Why are you so naivie like the Hong Kee pro demoncracy thugs ?
This is call politics.
Playing both or multiple sides for self gains.
This even happen in your own family like Techie or your office colleagues.
And Americunt In Money We Tru$t is very good at playing both side and also play backside.
郭正亮:把妳當禮物來交易! Making of you as canon fodder to be traded away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMVJau8KaU
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You are so clever. An open region means countries must give up their territory. You go ask LHL to give up the islands to Malaysia.
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Nothing new here. Sg follows US order to sanction Russia. Sg already in Russia’s list of unfriendly countries.
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Is it true that during the recent visit, the SG delegation was unceremoniously loaded on to a coach whereas Anwar was given the red-carpet welcome and driven in a limo with the Malaysian flag mounted on his vehicle? How could CN not give face to the world’s most highly paid leader? Despite investing so much in CN, still no give face ah? Like this, how to build close relationship with CN? For CN, geopolitics and military alliance is priority in this region. SG is perceived by XI as a close US ally. He is wooing Malaysia and Anwar into CN’s sphere of influence (e.g. Saudi, Brazil); if Anwar stays on as PM for a long time, it could spell trouble for tiny red dot.
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@Smart Nation
I am not sure about China’s protocol for dignitaries, but I did noticed the following:
Both Malaysia and Spain’s PM came down the plane ALONE, while Sinkieland’s came down as a couple.
1. MAYBE China does not recognise Mr & Mrs Prime Minister status, so the limo cannot carry them?
2. MAYBE the SIA plane overshot the landing strip and therefore the limo could not be safely dispatched to ferry them?
However, if you watch the entire video after their embark from the bus, Sinkieland’s Mr and Mrs Prime Minister were ferried away in a limo dawning the state flag.
Maybe someone in the know about such protocols can shed some light, please?
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During a ceremonial welcome, wives not allowed to sit in State car. For Head of State only.
Tech: Ah, that was what I guessed also. Anwar was alone, the PM of Spain was alone (he even had Guard of Honor), Sinkieland got wifey come down together, so cannot use the state car. I understand from a traffic friend in Shanghai also said the same, the entourage must go in different cars. So the treatment was ‘downgraded’ because Mrs Prime Minister decided to tag along lor. I tot the experts in foreign ministries should know this before the place landed?
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@TRE Tech:
How can SIA pilot overshot landing strip? Overshot a little, can still “go-stun” but overshot by too much, then need more training! What captures the world’s attention most is when the plane door opens and the cameras zoom in on the VVIP disembarking the plane and walking down the red-carpet to his limo. Maybe there is protocol to follow like you say, but I can’t see what’s the problem of extending the same courtesy to the PM and his wife if they are together on an official visit. XI, no give face to them. :(
Tech: There is a saying in China, some certain things know can liao, don’t have to say it out. The whole world knows what he supposedly did to his family and China is a very family-centric society. lol
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昨天阿龙和中国领导人在北京见面会谈。
会谈后双方同意把两国的双边合作关系进一步提升。
结果是合作的空门变得更加广阔和多样化,造福两国人民的共同利益将会更大化,亚洲其他国家和地区得到涟漪效应也不是不可能。这是了不起的外交努力和成就。
当然,万事万物都不可能没有挑战,有的会很成功,有的可能不会很成功,甚至会失败。向前看就会越来越好!如果一直念念不忘苏州工业园区的不怎么如意,那就是小鼻子小眼睛的窝囊废!
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Of course all the liars cannot have LW to follow them to Hainan or else they will be sidelined…….all eyes will then be on LW……kakinan…….
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@ An open region means countries must give up their territory.
Well said Well said.
Then Ukraine versus Russia, 無用多說!
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Instead of remitting in fiat currency, is it possible to export gold back to Singapore?
Tech: Then I supposed you have to clear customs like Silver, Bronze, etc etc etc. Just follow standard protocol?
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For good measure. Also men who let their women ‘running roughshod’ over them.
Tech: In all fairness, Xi’s wife was almost NEVER with him on ANY official visits, only during unofficiaL, non-state functions and casual country-wide visits. So it goes without saying that if Xi can hold himself to such high standard, why should anyone else be treated any different?
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‘Trial balloon’ aka US style, got burst unceremoniously down to earth?
Sun Tzu’s ‘Art of War’ must have been revere greatly by Xi.
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What about the other ASEAN leaders? Did they attend ALONE and were given the same treatment as Anwar Ibrahim and Pedro Sanchez? If so, then yes, it could be due to protocol. Otherwise, it is purely selective.
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@Smart Nation
EXPECTEDLY, ZaoBao came out full force to try to explain liao, Zaobao said it is not because of some international protocol lor, not because China don’t gib face to Mr and Mrs Prime Minister, lor, but because Sinkieland too poor, cannot afford to have Air Force 1 like the US of A.
Zaobao said hor, Anwar and Spain PM all came in their official ‘Air Force One’, so they can park the airplane in private lot dedicated to private jets, but then hor, Sinkieland no private jet, took commercial airplane (Hainan Air) so they have to use public parking lot, so limo cannot access public parking lot fo fetch Mr and Mrs PM lor, not safe wor, they suggested.
I read liao feel so sorry for Mr and Mrs PM lor, the TOP most highly paid PM on the entire planet Earth forced to fly commercial airlines (RMB$2000+ 1st class from Hainan to BeiJing), xia suay manz! How can the TOP PAYING PM on planet Earth be asked to take a RMB$2000 1st class seat on a commercial airplane? You know how much Mrs PM makes in a year or not? Do you know her annual salary can buy a commercial Boeing airplane in CASH? As a Sinkie, I feel so insulted!
Malaysia PM so poor, salary not even half of Sinkieland’s also got official ‘Air Force 1′, how can the TOP-PAID Sinkieland PM no have, not fair man!
Like that not fair at all, like that Sinkieland where got face to face the other POORER world leaders? I think Parliament must ask Milo to sign a blank check to buy Sinkieland own ‘Air Force 1′ lor, make it advance advance one, equip with anti-submarine, anti ATA and anti this and that. US one cost only US$5.3 BILLION nia, I am sure Sinkieland can afford one since according to KJ, our reserves is in the TRILLION range. Can even buy 2, one for backup in case the main one undergo maintainance lor.
What do you all think?
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I would say; work of a very smart man who has ‘hole’ in his socks; Q for chicken wings and wifey wearing sandals in public and all his ministers wearing casio plastic watches. Just putting up a show for world audience on lessons about ‘humility and frugality. You guys had been ‘HAD!’; taken for a ride. Hope Xi is smart enough to discern all these since the ‘Art of War’ and “Romance of the Three Kingdoms’ originated from there.
Remember Cao Kong was killed by his brothers for flaunting his intelligence? Cao Pi was smart enough to kill his brother and thus eventually became heir to Cao Cao. Cao Kong was clever, but the most clever will hide their intelligence, rather than relish in it. Anyone disagree?
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@ ten over years ago, took a Jetstar flight back from Hong Kong to Sinkiland.
Same flight with us were the younger brother and his wife.
What is there to be ashamed of?
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@ Hope Xi is smart enough to discern all these since the ‘Art of War’ and “Romance of the Three Kingdoms’ originated from there.
What the … ? 什麼意思 ?
@ Cao Kong ? Whos that ?
Friend, Either you need to polish your history or your pinyin.
@ Cao Pi was smart enough to kill his brother and thus eventually became heir to Cao Cao.
You said it yourself. There you have it. Family centric , obviously not.
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There was no 21 gun salute for LHL but AI and Spain were accorded the honours. This is a slap for LHL from the mighty XI. Well done China. Please don’t support the 50 nos. at taxpayers’ cost which did not include LW.
Tech: According to ZaoBao, it is revealed that Mr & Mrs PM visit China on a VERY regular basis, the only exception being during the C19 pandemic. As such, can be said to be regular frequent-flyer liao. If say hor, every time visit China must 21-gun salute, then very waste money right, although gunpowder is dirt cheap in China, but must be frugal also mah.
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@Jetstar flight
Brother compared to Mr and Mrs PM the position world apart hor, brother is simi sai, not happy can easily ‘take care of’ one. Do like Kim, feed to the dogs, easy right?
Remember Sinkieland LEEders are everything must also top top one, people have we also must have one. Besides, we are one of the richest country on planet Earth, according to KJ with TRILLIONS in surpluses, all saved for the LEEders to spend one. So then hor, buy 2x Air Force 1 (AF1), sup sup the water right, since one AF1 cost only US$5 BILLION nia, like one aristocrat said, loose change nia. Then after buy the 2x AF1, must also buy like Simon says, the latest F35s, a squadron of them, must like real AF1 like that, go everywhere holiday whole squadron of F35s to escort, then mid-air refuelling tanker also a must, liz one buy 2x.
Since got TRILLIONS in reserve supposedly saved for our later generation, then must also build Space Station, so then in future if got war, then the Leeders’ offspring can be shuttled there to hide hide. Where got no logic?
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Don’t over-read; A simple adage of hiding one’s talent/wealth amidst one’s adversaries which Xi may already foresee.
What pinyin?
Anyway, you know who they are.
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The younger brother is rich enough to own a fleet of planes and start an airline. Yet he traveled on the flight of a budget airlines, probably for environmental protection more than any thing else.
The president of a rich Latin American nation drove a dilapidated car and everyone said he was frugal.
A Loong traveled on Hainan airlines flight for the country and his people but drove flak from all directions.
When people are being possessed by ideology, they will not be able to think straight!
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@TRE Tech:
All these official visits are usually planned in advance. Anwar and Sanchez would have been told they would be given state honor on arrival and so they arranged to fly their national carrier. If CN had planned the same for Mr. PM and his wife, don’t you think he could have also arranged for SIA to fly the entire SG delegation in from Hainan? SG is so rich. It’s a small price to pay in exchange for all the media attention. The carrier is not the issue. Ultimately, it is the host country’s decision to honor whomever it chooses. XI is the issue! And it’s not hard to guess the reason. LOL!
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LHY is not the PM of Singapore and his personal travel is not the same as an official state visit. The PM of a country can arrive in any carrier he chooses and still be accorded the honor befitting of his position. To put him on a bus or coach like a commoner is beneath the dignity of his position. Anyway, who benefits more from the signing of all these trade agreements? What is the balance of trade between Singapore and China, or India for that matter?
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Makes one wonders why he can’t come to Beijing first then Hainan. Why enters the host’s house via the side gate then go to greet him at the front door? Could it be the embassy told beforehand, there will be no 21 gun-salute or state car for him? One thing for sure, no sane head of state would refused a dignified/grandiose welcome ceremony at the front gate same as the rest of the other guests. Right?
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Getting up at @ 2.48am to say something bad about Ah Loong? You are truly very hard working!
Ceremonial protocol is just something for show! It benefits no one in real terms but wastes precious resources unnecessarily, increases carbon footprint and worsens climate degradation!
What Ah Loong does should be a fine example for leaders of the world to emulate in that he saves precious resources by reducing carbon footprint and the waste of time. His act also directly contributes in the fight against climate change. No body has the right to waste resources for something only good for the eyes of the people but nothing in reality.
Ah Loong is great. We should not misunderstand him! We should cheer him on!
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@ Jetstar flight:
April 3, 2023 at 6:02 am
Are you sure you understand what you are reading?
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@Tech
This is an official visit and China played hosts. So there is really no excuse for the difference in treatment. I salute Xi in this as he must have his reasons.In Singapore we are bullied in various ways but see how Xi so calmly and gracefully put him in his place. We are a tiny red dot and must know our position. Kudos to XI.
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So based on your own logic, shouldn’t PM Loong and Halimah attend this National Parade in EV cars with the mobile squad riding on bicycles? And not forgetting to forego the F16s and armored vehicles, 21 gun salutes and fireworks displays!
Will you be pissed like Xi, if your guest try to suggest in subliminal ways how to run your own household?
Just FYI: I am Ceremonial Protocol; no other nicks here.
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Better still, we should just replay last year’s NDP. Save tons of resources!
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They should have travelled on ships to CN like in the days of Columbus and Magellan; depend on wind and sail instead of jet fuel! SA should stop flying to lead the way for all the other airlines to follow. Let’s all “Save our Planet” and charge more for the use of plastic bags and containers at the stores!
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“When people are obsessed with ideology, they will not be able to think straight “!
This is so correct!
National Day parade is a show of solidarity and strength, telling would be aggressors that we have what it takes to make you miserable so don’t do anything stupid on us.
Ah Loongis a leader who can think out of the box and act decisively after careful consideration and study.
His current visit to China is a success regardless of what naysayers said about the diplomatic protocol accorded to him by the host country.
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Making egregious claims of ‘moral superiority’, to justify own hypocritical claims of purity when one is actually engaged in a dirty world. lol
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