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Throwing out the baby with the bath water

Mr Shanmugam says Singapore has laws and policies to prevent riots like those seen in the UK recently because Singapore takes a very stringent approach concerning freedom of expression by giving priority to maintaining law and order. (ST, 17/8/24)

He was referring to the riots that erupted, in no small measure, because social media users were speculating, in the absence of information from the police, that the 17-year-old boy who stabbed three young girls to death, is a Muslim immigrant (he isn’t an immigrant), stoking anti-immigration and anti-Muslim sentiments.

He says that in Singapore, while freedom of speech is important, there is little tolerance for fake speech, racial or religious hate speech or speech that incites violence. Also, people who organize protests may have good intentions, but these are often hijacked by people who want to create violence. Thus, permits have to be obtained to safeguard law and order.

It is the job of the government to maintain law and order and one can’t fault Mr Shanmugam doing his job zealously. But in outlawing fake speech and misinformation he is assuming that he and the government know everything.

During the Covid pandemic, many social media postings that pointed out that the mRNA vaccines were not effective in preventing infections, that they were dangerous, that there were inexpensive and readily available alternatives to cure Covid, were censored. But it has now turned out that there is more than a grain of truth in what they were saying. By censoring them, the government had denied itself and society a portion of the truth and thereby were unable to make better decisions. To slightly veer off point, we now have extremely high excess deaths, we are also one of the highest mRNA vaccinated countries in the world, is there no correlation between the two?

The point is, no one is infallible. The truth is out there, represented by different points of views, even opposing points of views. Only by debate, can we obtain a clearer picture of the truth.

As said earlier, no one can fault Mr Shanmugam for doing his job, but he needs to be more positive and more ambitious and embark on a longer term endeavor whereby the end result is that we can all talk openly, even about sensitive topics, even about seeming untruths, even protesting calmly, without descending into chaos.

Just by imposing draconian laws on freedom of expression to maintain law and order is not only setting the bar too low but is also tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

Foong Swee Fong

 

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62 Responses to “Throwing out the baby with the bath water”

  • Not his baby:

    Why would he care?

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  • Free Bus Service:

    ”It was important to “do the right thing”, and not pursue populist and short-term measures, said Mr Chee, who is also Second Finance Minister.”
    …”Free shuttle bus service for Marine Parade cluster residents to start on Jul 8”
    First free bus service in the HISTORY of Spore.
    Very POPULIST policy.

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  • rice:

    So,sgs must accept all things and everything that comes from the PAP?
    ARE “THEY” GOD?
    Even God offers human beings FREE WILL.
    And,GOD IS PERFECT.
    So,PAPple must think THEY are MORE PERFECT THAN GOD HIMSELF.
    Thats why they call them$elves “WHITHER THAN white”???

    I protest that i was given a paltry “pee-sai” $600 as a bona fide SG who helped build Sg compared to MANY NON-sgs.
    why cant CUT SKY-HIGH WAGE$ TO SAVE JOB$ DURING COVID?

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  • Singaporeans not 3year old kid:

    Today is social media age. Singaporeans learn many things from internet including knowledge about the world. They want to express their values of rights and wrongs. They know which government is authoritarian and which is not from news around the world. Singaporeans restriction on protests will only make PAP lose votes. Voters are become younger and newer but PAP too old to change. They still think they can convince and convert people with their nonsense. How naive and stupid. PAP is going to lose votes big time.

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  • Harder Truths:

    I beg to disagree. The Hard Truth is $heeple will do anything the Leeders say – freedom of speech or no. Is there no internet? Even in China where censorship is high, people knew more than the $tupid Sheeple.

    No one forced them, no one mandated the jab. They were free to decline. Bu this population of more than 95% with GCE education is now 95% jabbed with the first and 70% with the second.And I bet you if tomorrow the Gahmen screamed monkeypox the whole population will run head over heels to the nearest CC to get jabbed (again).

    Say it like it is. $heeple have no balls. They cannot make any decisions for themselves. Everything most come from the Gahmen, even if it kills them.And that is the Reality – The Bottom Line no $heeple wants to admit even when they are on the way to Mandai.

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  • Be grateful…….:

    The ghamen should be praised for doing all they can to curb the spread of fake news, hate speech and speech that incite violence. People are just fortunate to live in a country where peace and harmony is well maintained. Enjoying the fruits of effective control but speak ill of the efforts spent is nothing more than biting the hands that feed them!

    Covid 19 is something new when it was detected for the first time in 2019. The ghamen should also be praised for doing all they could at various stages of the development of the pandemic. Blame it totally on the ghamen is just ungrateful and totally unappreciative. Sinkie land is the few countries pulled through the difficult times with least damage.

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  • OMEN 1505:

    The recent POFMA issued against YJJ “raises serious questions about the justifications for allowing ministers to bypass the courts in the POFMA process.”

    I can’t help but see it as a “Political Opponents Framing MAchinery” to frame the otherwise honourable Opposition members to make them look bad to the public!

    https://gutzy.asia/2024/08/27/suppressing-dissent-the-delayed-pofma-strike-against-yee-jenn-jongs-fb-posts-on-ahtc-and-aim/

    https://gutzy.asia/2024/08/28/redditor-questions-validity-of-pofma-correction-issued-to-wp-ncmp-yee-jenn-jong/

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  • PAP "word salad":

    Straits Times: Key to use S’pore’s resources responsibly, rather than indulge in ‘fiscal fantasies’: Chee Hong Tat

    Chee Hong Tat talking nonsenses. What is the “size” of the “resources”? How is it used? Why was GST increased? The government has NEVER given proof GST increases were necessary.

    BOTTOM LINE: WITHOUT OPPENNESS AND TRAPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY.

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  • The TRUTH:

    WITHOUT OPPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY

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  • 2Daft2Live:

    The govt is free to express itself when it is to its advantage while keeping mum on info that are bad for its image. Don’t believe, why don’t they reveal the benefits that they and their GLCs like Temasek and GIC will get out of the Johor-Singapore SEZ? At the same time, can they explain how the average Singaporean will benefit from it when companies will relocate to JB, causing loss of jobs to Singaporeans. And while Malaysians can still come daily to work in SG, Singaporeans are, however, still unable to go to Malaysia to work daily even when the SEZ is operational. How is this beneficial in anyway to the ordinary Singaporeans?

    https://malaysia.yahoo.com/news/singapore-johor-economy-deal-signing-gets-pushed-to-november-071640219.html

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  • Harder Truths:

    Australian doctors threatened for revealing this about the mRNA Death Jab

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/TI0CWP0bcs8L

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  • rice:

    @Be grateful

    You are not wrong.
    Being grateful is a virtue getting rarer.
    But do i thank the G for drawing our sgs’ PAST NATIONAL RESERVES just so to offer humongou$ WAGE $UPPLIMENT TO WELL-PAID sgs and SKY-HIGH SALARIED FTs while granting MORE DESERVING AND NEEDY sgs a paltry $600 out of “OFFICIAL” PER CAPITA GRANT OF $23.5K?
    What happened to the BALANCE OF$22.9K?
    Multiply $22.5K by the NUMBER OF TRUBLU SGS WHO MERELY GOT $600,THATS A TREMENDOUSLY HUGE SUM OF MONEY!

    And,WHY CANT THE G IMPLEMENT WAGE CUT ESPECIALLY FOR SKY-HIGH SALARIED WORKERS TO SAVE JOB$?
    1G CUT WAGES DURING BAD TIMES AND OUR SALARIES WERE MUCH LOWER THEN?!!!

    TAKING our sgs’ PAST RESERVES TO GIVE HUGE GEANT$ especially to NON-SGS IS SIMPLY DAFT AND MOST UNFAIR TO OUR OWN NEEDY SGS WHO ARE THE MOST DESERVING AS SGS ARE THE REAL STAKEHOLDERS OF OUR NATIONAL RESERVES NO MATTER HOW rich ministers like Indranee Rajah wants to say otherwise.

    Sgs must be given BIGGER GRANTS THAN ANY NIN-SGS INCLUDING FT-CEOs when it comes to ALLOCATING OUR SGS’ NATIONAL RESERVES,am i right to say?
    Else,WHY SHOULD STREET-$mart FTs want to take up SG citizenships at all?!
    Must be damn DAFT right?

    So,yes,GRATITUDE IS A VIRTUE BUT IT IS DAFT TO BE GRATEFUL TO THOSE WHO “ABUSE” us,am i right ,@Mr Be Grateful?

    Cheerio.

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  • Light The Way:

    One deliberately associates a difference in opinion with violence to generate public fear and to justify the continued usage of draconian laws.

    A protest could also be peaceful but when simply holding up a placecard with a smiley face is more than enough to warrant an arrest, then something must be really off.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    rice:
    So,sgs must accept all things and everything that comes from the PAP?
    ARE “THEY” GOD?
    Even God offers human beings FREE WILL.
    And,GOD IS PERFECT.

    So,PAPple must think THEY are MORE PERFECT THAN GOD HIMSELF.
    Thats why they call them$elves “WHITHER THAN white”???

    I protest that i was givena paltry “pee-sai” $600 as a bona fide SG who helped build Sg compared to MANY NON-sgs.
    why cant CUT SKY-HIGH WAGE$ TO SAVE JOB$ DURING COVID?

    Why you like to slap yourselves? FREE WILL? Really?

    Then why seek Gun Control? Where is the FREE WILL?
    https://youtu.be/mAMJa-RC5r8

    You are strongly against abortion. You called it murder.
    If it is God’s FREE WILL. It is not murder right?

    Why intervene in God’s FREE WILL ?

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    Singaporeans not 3year old kid:
    Today is social media age. Singaporeans learn many things from internet including knowledge about the world. They want to express their values of rights and wrongs. They know which government is authoritarian and which is not from news around the world. Singaporeans restriction on protests will only make PAP lose votes. Voters are become younger and newer but PAP too old to change. They still think they can convince and convert people with their nonsense. How naive and stupid. PAP is going to lose votes big time.

    Really?
    Singaporeans learn many things from internet including knowledge about the world.

    Pray tell, what are the things that Singaporeans learn from internet?

    1. LGBTQ is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    2. Woke culture is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    3. Telling lies is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    https://youtu.be/ALYPqniYssM
    4. Being hypocrite is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    https://tinyurl.com/2z3ywu79
    https://youtu.be/wx8H7jV1xWY
    5. All above is Freedom, Democratic and Human Rights. It is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    https://youtu.be/PKG_urpWgbs

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    Be grateful…….:
    The ghamen should be praised for doing all they can to curb the spread of fake news, hate speech and speech that incite violence. People are just fortunate to live in a country where peace and harmony is well maintained. Enjoying the fruits of effective control but speak ill of the efforts spent is nothing more than biting the hands that feed them!

    Well said. +1
    People who forward message around without checking its authenticity must be charged for advancing fake news.
    https://youtu.be/Bb69AjzFH2w?si=lzEffjkfRNssopRg

    Please join TRE as member and share my video to prevent people from believing in fake news.

    Be grateful…….:
    Covid 19 is something new when it was detected for the first time in 2019. The ghamen should also be praised for doing all they could at various stages of the development of the pandemic. Blame it totally on the ghamen is just ungrateful and totally unappreciative. Sinkie land is the few countries pulled through the difficult times with least damage.

    Well said. +1
    Not one Singaporeans had to run and fell to the ground for the vaccine.
    https://youtu.be/lODodLOCQA8

    Please join TRE as member and share my video to prevent people from believing in fake news.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    The TRUTH:
    WITHOUT OPPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY

    Why not tell that to your hypocrite In God We Tru$t daddy?

    Where is the openness and transparency of the Iraq war ?
    https://youtu.be/ALYPqniYssM

    Let’s discuss.
    Where is Iraq so called Weapon of Mass Destruction?

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  • Go:

    Go report yourself to the police with this charge. You have been putting out lots of links of unproven truth.

    Singaporean R Free Rider: People who forward message around without checking its authenticity must be charged for advancing fake news.

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  • Wow:

    King Kong pox coming.

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  • Sporeans Keep Govt Employed:

    Democratic means one can

    1) fire someone or soneone can resign.
    2) Being able TO HAVE A TWO WAY COMMUNICATION.
    3) Joining LGBT is not compulsory.
    4) Getting married is not compulsory.
    5) Taking degrees not compulsory.
    6) Not doing what the hordes are doing.
    7) No restraint of trade.
    8) performers can simulate sex on stage and people are free to air their views.
    9) call out someone for bad behavior, bad business practices.
    10) PRICE TOO HIGH, DON’T BUY

    Singaporean R Free Rider: Really?
    Singaporeans learn many things from internet including knowledge about the world.

    Pray tell, what are the things that Singaporeans learn from internet?

    1. LGBTQ is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    2. Woke culture is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    3. Telling lies is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    https://youtu.be/ALYPqniYssM
    4. Being hypocrite is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    https://tinyurl.com/2z3ywu79
    https://youtu.be/wx8H7jV1xWY
    5. All above is Freedom, Democratic and Human Rights. It is normal, healthy and good for Singaporeans?
    https://youtu.be/PKG_urpWgbs

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  • OverStayed 20 years!:

    ;;;;;;”because Singapore takes a very stringent approach concerning freedom of expression by giving priority to maintaining law and order. (ST, 17/8/24)”
    ”’Chinese woman, 55, overstayed in S’pore for over 20 years, jailed for 6 months & fined S$2,000
    She surrendered herself to the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority on Aug. 20, 2024.”’
    RidOut Rajah –very stringent in maintaining LAW and ORDER?
    HUH!
    Woman overstayed in Sinkieland for 20 years and nobody know in this digital age.
    SHE SURRENDERED herself…probably wants free lodging since rental is so high now.
    Money laundering and human traffickers roamed free in sinkieland since 2016…and nobody knows in this digital age?
    Ridout Rajah is in charge of a tiny little red dot with police camera everywhere.
    We have gangs of thieves that dare to operate in Bukit Timah area.
    Lauderers, thieves and scammers operate freely in sinkieland.
    This TINY red dot should be the last place on Earth that attract alien vermins of society if the laws are enforced.
    Again…who is in charge of maintaining the law?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Go:
    Go report yourself to the police with this charge. You have been putting out lots of links of unproven truth.

    Can you quote me one video links that I post is of unproven truth ?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Light The Way:
    One deliberately associates a difference in opinion with violence to generate public fear and to justify the continued usage of draconian laws.

    A protest could also be peaceful but when simply holding up a placecard with a smiley face is more than enough to warrant an arrest, then something must be really off.

    Ah, Hong Kong/DPP style pro democracy supporters are at it again..

    Dear Light The Way,
    Please answer below question. Don’t run away.

    Does your hypocrite In God We Tru$t America/We$t has freedom of speech ?
    If you are unable to answer, we will sue you for promoting and advancing fake news on Freedom, Democracy, Human Rights.

    1. Reporter sacked for pursuing press freedom
    https://tinyurl.com/2z3ywu79

    2. House passes antisemitism bill despite free speech concerns
    https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/05/01/house-passes-antisemitism-bill-free-speech-concerns

    3. Democratic 6 police officers arrested a peaceful lone protestor
    https://youtu.be/MgoSp_7sc2A&t=7s

    4. Democratic Freedom Convoy organizer arrested and charged
    https://youtu.be/3aTss5Yu0CU

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    This guy or gal (Singaporeans not 3year old kid) ran away from my questions.

    Any Hong Kee/DPP Pro Demoncratic supporters wish to answer the questions o post #15?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    2Daft2Live:
    The govt is free to express itself when it is to its advantage while keeping mum on info that are bad for its image. Don’t believe, why don’t they reveal the benefits that they and their GLCs like Temasek and GIC will get out of the Johor-Singapore SEZ? At the same time, can they explain how the average Singaporean will benefit from it when companies will relocate to JB, causing loss of jobs to Singaporeans. And while Malaysians can still come daily to work in SG, Singaporeans are, however, still unable to go to Malaysia to work daily even when the SEZ is operational. How is this beneficial in anyway to the ordinary Singaporeans?

    https://malaysia.yahoo.com/news/singapore-johor-economy-deal-signing-gets-pushed-to-november-071640219.html

    While you complained about Singaporeans not able to work in Malaysia, you conveniently missed out one topics, that is, Singaporeans went to Malaysia to pump subsidized petrol.
    https://tinyurl.com/yrcp87ty

    Let’s put these 2 topics on the table to discuss.
    Malaysian coming to SG to works vs Singaporeans go JB pump subsidized petrol
    https://youtu.be/gePw5rShbgE?si=FpLrqgjSiPTPg85Z

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Techie should also start another thread titled:
    Throw out the religion extremists with their leader.
    https://youtu.be/6F-yFE7CpGo

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    OverStayed 20 years!: ;;;;;;”because Singapore takes a very stringent approach concerning freedom of expression by giving priority to maintaining law and order. (ST, 17/8/24)”
    ”’Chinese woman, 55, overstayed in S’pore for over 20 years, jailed for 6 months & fined S$2,000
    She surrendered herself to the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority on Aug. 20, 2024.

    …”’

    This is cheating …

    We must make this 55 years old Chinese woman pay back all the monies that she earn for the last 20 years before we deport her.

    Attention ICA
    Before you deport this 55 years old cheater, please do the following:
    1. Make her pay for her own air ticket home.
    2. Jail her. Overstay 20 years Jail 20 years.
    3. Make her pay back all the monies she made for the last 20 years.
    4. Give that money to hard driving and hard striving Singaporeans who were made jobless during the period of her illegal overstay.

    We must punish cheater (both foreign and local) hard to eradicate such cheating.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Sporeans Keep Govt Employed:
    Democratic means one can

    1) fire someone or soneone can resign.
    2) Being able TO HAVE A TWO WAY COMMUNICATION.
    3) Joining LGBT is not compulsory.
    4) Getting married is not compulsory.
    5) Taking degrees not compulsory.
    6) Not doing what the hordes are doing.
    7) No restraint of trade.
    8) performers can simulate sex on stage and people are free to air their views.
    9) call out someone for bad behavior, bad business practices.
    10) PRICE TOO HIGH, DON’T BUY

    1) Yes, you can fire someone or someone can resign.
    But fire someone who is joining a Union to pursue free speech and coming from an America company?
    Have you watch this vide?
    https://tinyurl.com/2z3ywu79

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  • Law and no Order:

    ”Singapore investigates basketball coach for allegedly taking bribes to put children in top schools”
    ”Record 16,000 Primary 6 pupils apply for Direct School Admission exercise in 2024”
    How many of the 16,000 paid bribes to ‘ease’ themselves into top school.
    By pure logic….the basketball coach bribery cannot be the only case.
    Stakes are too high…not to game the system.
    Again as in Iswaran case…giver of bribes not charged .
    This country is going to the dogs.
    Have law but not enforced.
    1. Mony Laundering
    2.20-year illegal woman overstayer.
    3. BTO no MOP
    4. China nationals low-tech thieves in Bukit Timah
    …the list goes on

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: This is cheating …

    We must make this 55 years old Chinese woman pay back all the monies that she earn for the last 20 years before we deport her.

    Attention ICA
    Before you deport this 55 years old cheater, please do the following:
    1. Make her pay for her own air ticket home.
    2. Jail her. Overstay 20 years Jail 20 years.
    3. Make her pay back all the monies she made for the last 20 years.
    4. Give that money to hard driving and hard striving Singaporeans who were made jobless during the period of her illegal overstay.

    We must punish cheater (both foreign and local) hard to eradicate such cheating.

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  • Sporeans Keep Govt Employed:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: 1) Yes, you can fire someone or someone can resign.
    But fire someone who is joining a Union to pursue free speech and coming from an America company?
    Have you watch this vide?
    https://tinyurl.com/2z3ywu79

    Ya watched already. She got fired because ner boss did not approve of her doing that thing. She is free to get another employee who approve her ECA.

    In spore, if you read the employment contract, employers can fire someone without giving any reason . So they can fire LGBTQ anyhow humtum.

    Being democratic also means you can quit your job without having your employer stalk or harass or bad mouth you for decades.

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  • Relax:

    @”2. Jail her. Overstay 20 years Jail 20 years.”

    Response: do you know how much it costs to keep a convict in prison per year?

    Keeping her in jail for 20 years is wasting taxpayers’ money.

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  • SINGAROAR:

    Is the POFMA and FICA in party interests or the State and Citizens? No one source can be the arbiter of truth. The “truth” as perceived at the time of writing or speaking has to change as new information is available.Is it incorrect to say that POFMA is forceful grooming of a population as discernment is not encouraged by the ruling party.It is also being used to cripple the online media financially. We have an authoritarian government in power which we should replace for our best interests. There is no GKS or OTC in the PAP of today. All their actions is to hold on to political power for their own benefits.

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  • PAPigs:

    @Singaporeans R Free Riders is the real free loader.
    Fake Singaporeans trying to bash real singaporeans to reap benefits.
    Only idiotic real singaporeans believe in them.
    Look,non-citizens can buy HDB so easily and make big money but so many categories of citizens face all kinds of restrictions.
    Sometimes wonder who make the policies.
    Singaporean civil servants or PRs?
    PRs can own private houses and HDB at same time.
    Singaporeans who sold private to downgrade to fight High COST OF LIVING must wait many moons to buy HDB and rent from PRs?

    Minister Desmond Lee,are you pro-citizens ot what?

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  • Mengapainimacham?:

    OTC was the principal figure in building the mrt of sinkie land. The next thing I remember about him is the issue he brought up just before his term as president was about to end. Besides that, I also remember him as being close to the people. He walked about in his constituency on a regular basis.

    GKS was sinkie land minister for defence, minister for education, finance minister and deputy prime minister. Of course, by the way the party he belonged to described about him, he made tremendous contributions while tasked to manage problems associated with these appointments.

    No doubt OTC and GKS contributed tremendously and brilliantly, others in the ruling party had also contributed, as good as OTC and GKS.

    Just wonder why some in this forum only happy with OTC and GKS?

    Would someone be kind enough to provide some enlightenment?

    SINGAROAR:
    Is the POFMA and FICA in party interests or the State and Citizens? No one source can be the arbiter of truth.The “truth” as perceived at the time of writing or speaking has to change as new information is available.Is it incorrect to say that POFMA is forceful grooming of a population as discernment is not encouraged by the ruling party.It is also being used to cripple the online media financially. We have an authoritarian government in power which we should replace for our best interests. There is no GKS or OTC in the PAP of today. All their actions is to hold on to political power for their own benefits.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Relax:
    @”2. Jail her. Overstay 20 years Jail 20 years.”

    Response: do you know how much it costs to keep a convict in prison per year?

    Keeping her in jail for 20 years is wasting taxpayers’ money.

    You are a prime example of 10 years series exam book smart Sinkie where you only know model answer in the textbook.

    Can’t you “jail” her in her house and make her work to pay for the room, electricity, water and food?

    We will retain 80 percent of her earnings and give it to Singaporeans who were made jobless by her overstaying. (See we PAP are Singaporean First)

    And she cannot travel more than 200 metres from her house.

    The same way In God We Tru$t America confiscated $7bn from Afghans
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/afghanistan-money-biden-white-hosue-us

    But, our way are legal as she had committed an punishable offence.

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  • SINGAROAR:

    @Mengapainimacham
    There is also TCC, LKS.DN etc
    I chose GKS and OTC because GKS used his brilliance to work in the interest of the people. He converted swamp land in Jurong into industrial land. Built factories on it and attracted foreign investments into the country on the condition that they employ Singaporeans and transfer job skills to us. Fast forward, the PAP of today attract MNCs and allow them to import foreigners at cheaper wages to benefit both the foreign investors and foreigners.The disparity of GKS and the present generation of the PAP sticks out.
    OTC, was because as you said he identified himself with us. His integrity was impeccable just like GKS. He is the only President who asked for the list of our National Assets which was given partially to him and not completed up to date.
    Both men were brilliant and worked diligently in the State and Citizens’ interest.Can anyone else hold a candle to these two men? They were Statesman.

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  • Relax:

    @”You are a prime example of 10 years series exam book smart Sinkie where you only know model answer in the textbook.
    Can’t you “jail” her in her house and make her work to pay for the room, electricity, water and food?”

    Response: now she is already in prison for 6 months.
    who set the law, what are you implying?

    @”The same way In God We Tru$t America confiscated $7bn from Afghans
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/afghanistan-money-biden-white-hosue-us
    But, our way are legal as she had committed an punishable offence.”

    Response: you always criticize someone’s action, yet you copy their idea.

    @”We will retain 80 percent of her earnings and give it to Singaporeans who were made jobless by her overstaying. (See we PAP are Singaporean First)”

    Response: just like the article mentioned – ‘…But stealing the money of Afghanistan and distributing it as you see fit hardly furthers the interests of justice…’

    Be responsible, admit the mistake, find out the loophole of the process and solve it. Prevention is better than cure.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Sporeans Keep Govt Employed: Ya watched already. She got fired because ner boss did not approve of her doing that thing. She is free to get another employee who approve her ECA.

    In spore, if you read the employment contract, employers can fire someone without giving any reason . So they can fire LGBTQ anyhow humtum.

    Being democratic also means you can quit your job without having your employer stalk or harass or bad mouth you for decades.

    Did you miss out this part where she said “even though the Wall Street Journal approved this when I was hired…”

    At the point of hiring, WSJ approved her pursue of free speech in China.

    After she joined WSJ, her boss disapprove her pursue of free speech in China.

    Hypocrite? Yes?

    Pro democracy Jolovan, GMS want to follow in her foot steps? Anyone?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Mengapainimacham?:
    OTC was the principal figure in building the mrt of sinkie land. The next thing I remember about him is the issue he brought up just before his term as president was about to end. Besides that, I also remember him as being close to the people. He walked about in his constituency on a regular basis.

    GKS was sinkie land minister for defence, minister for education, finance minister and deputy prime minister. Of course, by the way the party he belonged to described about him, he made tremendous contributions while tasked to manage problems associated with these appointments.

    No doubt OTC and GKS contributed tremendously and brilliantly, others in the ruling party had also contributed, as good as OTC and GKS.

    Just wonder why some in this forum only happy with OTC and GKS?

    Would someone be kind enough to provide some enlightenment?

    Enlightenment? So easy. I can enlighten you with one sentence.

    Ball carrier licking different balls in the hope of getting their attention.

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  • Lawless Wong:

    Lawless Wong has taken over a lawless country.
    ”Jail for 5 Gurkha officers involved in unlicensed cross-border money transfers; 1 handled nearly S$2.9 million”
    ”Trial of former transport minister Iswaran postponed to Sept 24”
    Even policemen are openly committing crimes.
    Is-ONE-Run trial just after F1 on Sept 20 to 23.How convenient.
    Should invite him as Guest-of-Honour.
    Since he is innocent until proven guilty.

    Law and no Order:
    ”Singapore investigates basketball coach for allegedly taking bribes to put children in top schools”
    ”Record 16,000 Primary 6 pupils apply for Direct School Admission exercise in 2024”
    How many of the 16,000 paid bribes to ‘ease’ themselves into top school.
    By pure logic….the basketball coach bribery cannot be the only case.
    Stakes are too high…not to game the system.
    Again as in Iswaran case…giver of bribes not charged .
    This country is going to the dogs.
    Have law but not enforced.
    1. Mony Laundering
    2.20-year illegal woman overstayer.
    3. BTO no MOP
    4. China nationals low-tech thieves in Bukit Timah
    …the list goes on

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  • Sporeans Keep Govt Employed:

    Yes, I missed out or forgot since the last time I watched it a few weeks ago.

    Thanks for reminding me of this pertinent point about people.

    In work situations or even personal interactions, it is not uncommon for people to go back on their word.

    Especially in Spore. Many people make promises they don’t intend to keep. That’s called lying. But there’s no law to enforce verbal agreements.

    That’s why, even with friends, you need black and white. ie contracts.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Did you miss out this part where she said “even though the Wall Street Journal approved this when I was hired…”

    At the point of hiring, WSJ approved her pursue of free speech in China.

    After she joined WSJ, her boss disapprove her pursue of free speech in China.

    Hypocrite? Yes?

    Pro democracy Jolovan, GMS want to follow in her foot steps? Anyone?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Relax: Be responsible, admit the mistake, find out the loophole of the process and solve it. Prevention is better than cure.

    Responsible for what ?

    Singapore did no wrong jailing that 55 years old Chinese woman.

    The question here is who harbour her during the last 20 odd years?

    On the other hand, you go get In God We Trust America to apologise for lying to the world that Iraq has WMD.

    or get CCP to apologise for invading Tibet.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    US Marine: Help! Help!
    https://youtu.be/JqoBv000iWw?si=8DHnMeCnStNjLXiJ

    Poor Marines, they are largely outnumbered.

    For a moment, I thought it was 2Daft2Live or Singaporeans who were against Malaysian coming to Singapore to work shouting for help after they were caught stealing petrol in JB and got blanket party by Malaysians.

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  • Relax:

    If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

    Clean up your own backyard before you go knocking on your neighbour’s door.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Responsible for what ?

    Singapore did no wrong jailing that 55 years old Chinese woman.

    The question here is who harbour her during the last 20 odd years?

    On the other hand, you go get In God We Trust America to apologise for lying to the world that Iraq has WMD.

    or get CCP to apologise for invading Tibet.

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  • Fake $inkies:

    That ass SRFR keeps bashing sgs at every chance.
    He seems to be a malaysian-turn-new-$hittizen of Sg.
    Malaysians have been profiteering from Sgs all these donkey years.
    As PRs ,malaysians work here earning Singapore dollars and go back each evening to JB to live cheaply.
    Malaysian chinese are the worst.
    I know of many of them who keep telling sgs not to go to buy houses in JB as not good but they come here rob our jobs ,but HDB to make money by renting and selling at $1.5M.
    When PAP offer them citizenship, most decline as not much difference between Sg Citizenship or PR.
    DAFT PAP,so blinking daft.
    SRFR ,just admit you are malaysian.
    Do not be shy lah.

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  • Sporeans Keep Govt Employed:

    Blame all those cheapo Singaporean bosses for hiring malayians and FTs.

    Fake $inkies:
    That ass SRFR keeps bashing sgs at every chance.
    He seems to be a malaysian-turn-new-$hittizen of Sg.
    Malaysians have been profiteering from Sgs all these donkey years.
    As PRs ,malaysians work here earning Singapore dollars and go back each evening to JB to live cheaply.
    Malaysian chinese are the worst.
    I know of many of them who keep telling sgs not to go to buy houses in JB as not good but they come here rob our jobs ,but HDB to make money by renting and selling at $1.5M.
    When PAP offer them citizenship, most decline as not much difference between Sg Citizenship or PR.
    DAFT PAP,so blinking daft.
    SRFR ,just admit you are malaysian.
    Do not be shy lah.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Sporeans Keep Govt Employed:
    Blame all those cheapo Singaporean bosses for hiring malayians and FTs.

    Don’t forget cheapo Singaporeans who drive BMW to JB to steal petrol.

    https://www.mycarforum.com/forums/topic/2701357-sinkie-drive-bmw-to-jb-but-engine-stall-on-causeway/page/3/#comments

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  • Crime Hub Sinkieland!:

    ”6 men charged over alleged links to global syndicate that conducts malicious cyber activities”
    1.Fujian Gang
    2.Bukit Timah Gang
    3.Cyber Gang
    4.20-year overstayer
    and many more uncaught
    Seems like criminals from THIS country thinks very lowly of our law enforcement.
    May think that our Law Minister have too good a life in his GCB and our policemen are all sleeping.
    Why else would they choose to operate in this tiny red dot with police camera everywhere. Could have gone to any of the other 196 countries!

    OverStayed 20 years!:
    ;;;;;;”because Singapore takes a very stringent approach concerning freedom of expression by giving priority to maintaining law and order. (ST, 17/8/24)”
    ”’Chinese woman, 55, overstayed in S’pore for over 20 years, jailed for 6 months & fined S$2,000
    She surrendered herself to the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority on Aug. 20, 2024.”’
    RidOut Rajah –very stringent in maintaining LAW and ORDER?
    HUH!
    Woman overstayed in Sinkieland for 20 years and nobody know in this digital age.
    SHE SURRENDERED herself…probably wants free lodging since rental is so high now.
    Money laundering and human traffickers roamed free in sinkieland since 2016…and nobody knows in this digital age?
    Ridout Rajah is in charge of a tiny little red dot with police camera everywhere.
    We have gangs of thieves that dare to operate in Bukit Timah area.
    Lauderers, thieves and scammers operate freely in sinkieland.
    This TINY red dot should be the last place on Earth that attract alien vermins of society if the laws are enforced.
    Again…who is in charge of maintaining the law?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Rider:

    Crime Hub Sinkieland!:
    ”6 men charged over alleged links to global syndicate that conducts malicious cyber activities”
    1.Fujian Gang
    2.Bukit Timah Gang
    3.Cyber Gang
    4.20-year overstayer and many more uncaught
    Seems like criminals from THIS country thinks very lowly of our law enforcement.
    May think that our Law Minister have too good a life in his GCB and our policemen are all sleeping.
    Why else would they choose to operate in this tiny red dot with police camera everywhere. Could have gone to any of the other 196 countries!

    Because PAP had built a first world with world class financial system.

    If you don’t like it you know the way out. No one stop you from leaving.
    https://tinyurl.com/atbfepzs

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  • Singaporeans R Free Rider:

    Relax:
    If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

    Clean up your own backyard before you go knocking on your neighbour’s door.

    You Pro demoncracy copy Freedom, Democracy, Human Rights from U$A but never demand their ma$ter to clean up their own backyard.

    This is traitorous and must be arrested, charged and jailed for good.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Rider:

    Fake $inkies:
    That ass SRFR keeps bashing sgs at every chance.
    He seems to be a malaysian-turn-new-$hittizen of Sg.
    Malaysians have been profiteering from Sgs all these donkey years.
    As PRs ,malaysians work here earning Singapore dollars and go back each evening to JB to live cheaply.
    Malaysian chinese are the worst.
    I know of many of them who keep telling sgs not to go to buy houses in JB as not good but they come here rob our jobs ,but HDB to make money by renting and selling at $1.5M.
    When PAP offer them citizenship, most decline as not much difference between Sg Citizenship or PR.
    DAFT PAP,so blinking daft.
    SRFR ,just admit you are malaysian.
    Do not be shy lah.

    You are an idiots.

    What I written here are all hard truth on the bad Sinkies with bad attitude, bad behavior and unrealistic expectation.

    If you could not take the hard truth, then don’t come to TRE.

    This forum is known as The UnTold Hard Truths From Around The World
    https://tinyurl.com/5aak33vu

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  • Relax:

    Which part of my post talk about democracy issue? Is my post so profound that led you to such a conclusion? Or is democracy your favourite topic?

    So are you measuring patriotism based on pro or against democracy?

    ‘Traitorous’ is defamation, I love Singapore so much, that’s why I am telling the truth and hope to bring Singapore forward.
    As for you, knowing there’s a problem but ignore it, so how deeply are you in love with Singapore?

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Responsible for what ?
    ….

    The question here is who harbour her during the last 20 odd years?

    Singaporeans R Free Rider: You Pro demoncracy copy Freedom, Democracy, Human Rights from U$A but never demand their ma$ter to clean up their own backyard.

    This is traitorous and must be arrested, charged and jailed for good.

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  • Best IN class:

    ”Because PAP had built a first world with world class financial system.”
    ”Singapore’s banking giants embroiled in billion-dollar money laundering case”
    Yep nobody can touch us in running a financial centre.
    Fujian gang and their friends love this place.
    More will come …we give them the best treatment.

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  • Fake Singaporean:

    That’s what your “old Director” scolds you all the time, everyday many times, with “Sinkies” changed for “FT”. You have to relieve your stress out here. So pitiful.

    Singaporeans R Free Rider: What I written here are all hard truth on the bad Sinkies with bad attitude, bad behavior and unrealistic expectation.

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  • Cashing Out:

    ”Asia Sentinel: Singapore Law Minister’s Home Sale to Mystery Buyer”
    ”Former minister Mah Bow Tan sells Good Class Bungalow at Holland Rise for $50 mil”
    ”Fury over 6.9 million population target for Singapore”
    Buying and then selling GCBs make the most money esp after stuffing this red dot with 6.9mil people.
    Good lucrative strategy.
    Time to cash out and move to sunny Australia.
    Brilliant.
    Now let in all the money launderers and TAX-EVADERS aka Single Family Office.
    Who else would want to park $50mil or $88mil here…no other sensible reason.

    Best IN class:
    ”Because PAP had built a first world with world class financial system.”
    ”Singapore’s banking giants embroiled in billion-dollar money laundering case”
    Yep nobody can touch us in running a financial centre.
    Fujian gang and their friends love this place.
    More will come …we give them the best treatment.

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  • New Notion:

    Hey TRE Tech
    Nowadays,no more scoops?
    Can feed some scoops to make it more exciting.
    GE comimg soon.
    Will PSP merge with SDP.

    Tech: Tan and Chee don’t see things same light, IMHO, no chance.

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  • WP fault:

    Someone blames that on WP. Why is WP so useless? What “leader” cannot unite PSP and SDP under WP? Rubbish!

    Like that, Singaporeans can also blame PAP. Why PAP so useless? What 1,2,3,4G leader cannot unite all parties under PAP? Tio bo!

    New Notion:
    Hey TRE Tech
    Nowadays,no more scoops?
    Can feed some scoops to make it more exciting.
    GE comimg soon.
    Will PSP merge with SDP.

    Tech: Tan and Chee don’t see things same light, IMHO, no chance.

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  • rice:

    On Abortion is Free Will.
    @SRFR

    Free Rider

    Why you keep harping craPAPy stuffs here?
    Did the yet-to-born baby ask to be killed?
    No one stopped the mother from having sex-citement.
    But why kill the baby after the “funk”(fiack)?
    You call that Free Will?
    So,Go tell your masters selling drugs is one’s FREE WILL ,dare you?

    Pls comment rationally.
    Dont just spew craPAPies.
    Enough of your craps.
    Use your brains better ok,Free Rider.
    You are the “devil’s” top advocate.
    The devil loves you so much;he is waiting for you.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    rice:
    On Abortion is Free Will.
    @SRFR

    Free Rider

    Why you keep harping craPAPy stuffs here?
    Did the yet-to-born baby ask to be killed?
    No one stopped the mother from having sex-citement.
    Butwhy kill the baby after the “funk”(fiack)?
    You call that Free Will?
    So,Go tell your masters selling drugs is one’s FREE WILL ,dare you?

    Pls comment rationally.
    Dont just spew craPAPies.
    Enough of your craps.
    Use your brains better ok,Free Rider.
    You are the “devil’s” top advocate.
    The devil loves you so much;he is waiting for you.

    You are an idiot.

    Me and my master does not believe in FREE WILL without Responsibility

    Me and my master BELIEVE in FREE WILL come with RESPONSIBILITY.

    What a stupid Hong Kong copycat pro demonccracy supporter.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Relax:
    Which part of my post talk about democracy issue? Is my post so profound that led you to such a conclusion? Or is democracy your favourite topic?

    So are you measuring patriotism based on pro or against democracy?

    ‘Traitorous’ is defamation, I love Singapore so much, that’s why I am telling the truth and hope to bring Singapore forward.
    As for you, knowing there’s a problem but ignore it, so how deeply are you in love with Singapore?

    If you love Singapore so much, you should be walking the ground like me.

    The fact is, you are just NATO. Army say Talk C0ck Sing S0ng and instigate other to do the job.

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  • Fake Singaporean:

    In your own confession, you took videos of lovebirds in gardens and share with other people. I am sure that means a few crimes committed.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: If you love Singapore so much, you should be walking the ground like me.

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